Kevin

This team is so undisciplined. This has turned into a mess

What is Cole Snyder doing on that 4th down?

9 minutes ago, skrabukes said:

It's not a knee jerk game. Last game was worse than this one, but there still is some talent there. It's still not far from the late 90s/early 00s teams however. Man for man, this team is better than 1999 (Cohane's last full season, 3 MAC wins), 2000 (Reggie's 1st), 2 MAC wins, but not nearly as good as 2001 (the big 4 recruiting class year, 7 MAC wins).

That 2001 team versus 2000 versus now:

Darcel Williams, Lou Campbell, Rob Brown, Battle, Clem Smith, Bortz, Davis Lawrence, Gilbert, Bird, Cagwin, (Big) Swoffer, Joe Veal

2000:

Rob Brown, Lou Campbell, Jason Robinson, Damien Foster, Lawrence, Cagwin, Smith, Swoffer, Libomi, Alston, Rainey, Duane Williams (from the football team), Walcott, Adam Johnson (also from the football team)

2023:

Adams, Chatman, Fulcher, Smith, Sabol, Boldin, Jones, Williamson, McVeigh, Wilson

At least we haven't raided the football team (yet) for players. The bench is pretty short though.

I believe you were one of the loudest yelling for JW's head (along with Erie County who has disappeared now). His teams were respectable, while nowhere near Nate's teams, and never were going to be anywhere near Nate's teams. While far from perfect, it was a solid team every year, pushing for double digit MAC wins each year. This is a far, far cry from that.

 

I'm not the one who hires the coaches. I wanted Whitsell gone because I didn't think he was the best hire.

The answer is Alnutt by the way, not me calling for Whitesell to get fired on a message board. 

See all of his hires. 

What did we do to deserve this?

3 hours ago, MuchMany said:

I don't think I said anything to contradict this tbh.

"Some electricity in the guard group is never a bad thing."

"...you gotta love NYC point guards."

"For now I'm choosing to be optimistic, as I understand that it's a heavy lift to fill 8 spots and not every guy can be a star recruit."

I agree that yes, building takes time and yes, high quality players won't want to come here quite yet. It's just a bit of a reality check that we're recruiting down a level from what JW was doing (based on the relatively little info we have to go on re: mid-major recruiting). To get this thing off the ground, Coach and his staff will have to develop talent and put them in positions to succeed through strategy, both of which are just as important as recruiting.

I agree with your sentiment. 

Not everything is built around star rankings, but it sure would be nice to get guys that are highly coveted. It doesn't mean everything as I'm sure some will point to our Tom Brady (CJ) and say "you don't need stars!". Thats the exception, not the rule. 

They also surrounded CJ with high-end recruits. Hodgson is still scoring very high-end guys even to Arkansas State. Ohio is a factory of high-end recruits as well.

247 is the best and most consistent recruiting site out there in my opinion, have we scored even one player that they rank? 247 knows more than IG clips of a player. 

Also, a D1-level player generally should be in the top 100 JUCO rankings. Very rarely will a bad shooting JUCO player convert. I'm interested to see how he can handle the ball, but I'm not sure we can say to not worry about his D2 Juco shooting performances. That's not realistic. 

It almost feels like we are taking what we can get rather than pressing the limits. 

Every single player so far had limited to no competition. Either this NIL money is a huge problem, or they are only recruiting under-the-radar types, which by in large doesn't work. It can work on a onesie-twosie basis but not as your main recruiting efforts at this level. 

They can survive at forward right now, just a single starter is needed there.

Guard is in really bad shape

On 4/12/2023 at 8:15 PM, Kevin said:

One of them will be announced as associate. I think it would be Presutti or Tibbs.

This always made sense to me. Tibbs wasn't taking a lateral move. 

On 4/12/2023 at 9:15 PM, MuchMany said:

Heard otherwise at the function today. Expecting no associate for now, "it's a promotion to keep a guy" more than a given. We'll see. 

Not sure who would have said that there, but that didn't make too much sense. 

One of them will be announced as associate. I think it would be Presutti or Tibbs.

1 hour ago, rma said:

With Brey out at ND, was Tibbs unemployed? Or did he still have an assistant spot there?

Yeah with him out of course that plays a role, but I don't think he'd still take a lateral move to a "less program/conference" 

I have to assume he's at least chair 2. 

2 hours ago, DooleyBull06 said:

You would know more than me. Does being second seat exclude the person from being lead recruiter? Legit asking. I just found that quote interesting. 

Yeah, chair 2 has more responsibility. Of course, everyone helps with recruiting, but chair 3 (lead recruiter) does a lot of it. 

3 hours ago, DooleyBull06 said:

Interesting quote here: 

"Hamlet is an accomplished recruiter and coach whose resume speaks for itself. Welcome back home to New York, Coach Tibbs!"
 

Perhaps Tibbs we be the lead recruiter?

Wouldn't that be lateral? 

I feel like UB had to offer him the associate position to draw him here. Or at least, chair 2

3 minutes ago, UBinMD said:

Is Foley officially staying? I didn't see a specific announcement. Any word on Tom Fox?

According to his Twitter, he is. He removed the "former" on it. 

I'd assume Fox is gone with Saunders taking the spot.

So. we have:

Associate: Open

Assistant: Cage

Assistant: Foley

DOBO: Saunders

That correct?

Does anyone know why the Vilanova job went to Neptune and not him? 

Hal - CO-VIGE

I'm happy. 

LIke it a lot more than going after Jones, Calhoun, and Claunch. 

They got it right, at one time he was the top guy to replace Jay Wright. I always thought UB could be very similar to Nova.

8 minutes ago, clodney said:

Only 4 business days away from the date Whitesell's buyout would have dropped by $100k. If we don't have a coach by then, Mark Alnutt should be shown the door.

Can't disagree. But it still makes you wonder if he thought he would be able to lock up Washington or Cohen.

Just now, dutchcountry7 said:

You're really trying to figure me out, aren't you? ha ha

Nope, but I know you work/worked (not sure with the staff transition) for the team. There was a line into the team from this message board. Especially now with your recent blaming of the administration and not the coaching staff/CSA is pretty telling for me. 

8 minutes ago, yussi1870 said:

We should have hired him instead of CSA.

Why? He's the one that said that it's not CSA's job to do anything but match them. None of us could do any better in this case. The university would have botched anyone that any of us put in front of them. 

4 hours ago, dutchcountry7 said:

The EADA report is a governmental report that was created by politicians and bureaucrats that have no understanding of educational or athletic financial reporting.  As a result, this publicly available dataset is largely considered worthless when comparing different schools to one another.  A major reason for this is the lack of established reporting procedures that create uniform reporting to address the various different ways in which institutions operate and how their internal accounting functions are handled. 

For instance, if you pull the University of Oklahoma's data you will see that their golf program generated $502,715 in revenue last year.  Of course, this is curious since their program doesn't charge admission to contests or have any athletically related revenue for the program.  So how did this number end up in the EADA report?  Well, that is the amount of money that the University transferred to the golf program to cover it's operating shortfall.  We don't think of that as revenue, but due to the organizational structure and internal accounting processes utilized at the University of Oklahoma it is technical golf revenue.

A common issue is surrounding the accounting of facility costs.  Some schools use internal accounting to account for program utilization of facilities.  For instance, a basketball program may be "charged" against their budget each time they use their basketball arena for a game or practice.  Or they may be charged a flat fee annually from the athletic department budget and applied to the basketball team (split evenly between the genders) to cover debt service on their game or practice facility.  This is not really a true expense when you compare the school to others but is simply used for internal accounting to account for a facility that is used by all kinds of campus programs.  It can be a useful way to ration usage and give priority to different programs. 

So while some basketball (or volleyball, or wrestling, or whatever) programs have tens of thousands of dollars (or even hundreds of thousands of dollars) included in their operating budgets to cover these internal facility rental fees other programs don't have these costs as their facility costs fall under institutional or athletic department costs that are not accounted for within the basketball program's accounting.

Due to these different accounting processes and broad categorization used in EADA reporting these figures can be deceptively off by millions from what you'd expect them to be for a specific school.

As a result of these various issues, the NCAA doesn't use the EADA reports.  The NCAA has their own financial reporting guidelines for the NCAA's annual financial statements that are the golden standard in intercollegiate athletic financial reporting.  These have finely tuned reporting standards that ensure uniformity between academic institutions which allows for an accurate comparison.

The issue here is that these records are not public records.  They are provided to the NCAA only for internal reporting and program/policy review.  Very few schools make these reports public which makes it difficult to actually compare institutions.

If you'd like to compare two such reports, I have included both reports for the University of Kansas (2021-2022).  Their state laws require their NCAA Financial Report to be made public in addition to the EADA report.

EADA Report (the numbers you linked to which are not informative): https://kuathletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/2022-EADA-Survey.pdf 

NCAA Financial Statement: https://kuathletics.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/21-22-NCAA-Report.pdf

This is a lot of knowledge for someone who doesn't work for a university and in mid-major sports. 

Are we excited or not for a 266 Kenpom team getting a promotion after going 16-15 while losing to their bottom-feeder team in the conference tournament? One of the last-ranked teams in offensive efficiency. The guy has a nickname for trying to interview anywhere that will take him. 

All of his players were seniors and would have no one to take with him.

This isn't the hire that inspires me. The actual top coach in this conference went to WKU.

1 hour ago, ukbro00 said:

Never said you had fake sources. Said you had unreliable sources, which I stand behind. 

Nah, don't backtrack now. Nothing I said was unreliable considering the AD doesn't know where this search is going.

You said downright lying is disrespectful. Which was blasphemous that I'd come on here to lie to 50 people. 

I'm still waiting for you to tell me where I said Cohen would sign next week. 

9 minutes ago, UBinMD said:

Another twist in the UBMBB Saga. Best of luck to Coach Q. Will be interesting to see if any current Bulls end up at AKST

Wow, Coach Hodgson taking Quarles is interesting for sure. 

1 hour ago, ukbro00 said:

I think I would much rather have Halcovage, but seeing what Jones can do with a real budget might be exciting.

I thought I had fake sources? Pretty lucky guess on Jones I guess.

I found it interesting that he hasn't been officially declined and liked a tweet I was mentioned in. 

1 minute ago, ub2019 said:

Did Halcovage decline the Bucknell job or was he never offered it?

Here's what I just got on that when I asked:

"Not sure what happened at Bucknell then was supposedly interested in Furman but Furman not open unless Richey gets USF"

3 minutes ago, UBinMD said:

I didn’t realize Washington was an official rejection. I assumed since he turned down WMU twice we should bother even calling him.

He rejected UB. I'm not sure at what stage, but I was counting the fact that he was on our short list and quickly removed from it by saying no