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  1. Good game Saturday. Great effort to storm back. I havent watched enough of UB to weigh in on your comments of the team seeming to play intensely in bursts- but considering the Bonnies have faced double digit deficits in 5 of 8 games, and yet are 7-1, I surely can relate. I do not understand why both Bona and UB fans insist on going to that place in which they justify opposing players excitement over a win as a 'must be their superbowl' attitude. I saw it on this thread, and I've seen a lot of it the last couple of years from Bona fans when they lost. The reason the Bona players, and some of the students, were so fired up is because of the emotionality behind beating what we all know is a very solid UB team without Lofton. Try to consider- the last Bona game in which Lofton didnt start at PG, he was playing prep school ball. I can count one hand, the number of games I recall them going more than 2 minutes consecutively without him in the game. The intangibles he brings as a 4 year floor general, pure PG, are immeasurable. 2 bona turnovers in 10 seconds that helped close a 9 point lead to 4 pt around the ~130 mark were hugely instrumental in the UB comeback, and a great example of the value Lofton brings to this team in his ability to run the show. It's hard to imagine they both occur if he's out there, and the team was visibly panicky in how to handle the late game pressure. The fact he was named captain by his teammates freshmen year, before he'd ever played a collegiate game, speaks volumes to how much they look to him as a leader. Combine that with uncertainty and angst that hung over following his injury the other night, it's easy to see why they were filled with so much emotion when they won. Just wanted to provide a little more perspective. I think UB has a solid team, capable of doing what 2018's team did. Close games like several of the recent games in this rivalry, with atmospheres like what many of them have been, is great for the rivalry and for WNY. Maybe some day, the people around WNY will wake up to the fact that there is good, national level sports in the area outside of the Bills and Sabres, and they can take a break from breaking those two teams down into painstaking detail and pay more attention to the couple of hoops teams who've made names for themselves of late. I wont hold my breath on that one, but I can dream. Best of luck the rest of the way. Hoping to see you cut the nets in Cleveland.
  2. Isnt arguing for relevance basically the existence of upper end mid majors in a nutshell? MAC, MVC, MWC A10, WCC, AAC. With the exception Gonzaga/Houston/Memphis/Cinci, that's half a dozen conferences filled with teams begging for people to know their best teams can run with the P6.
  3. A few comments to add since catching up on missed posts: Mike Scherr's comment is exactly what grinds Bona fans gear because they view it as a pot/kettle situation. Both teams have been relevant the last 5-7 or so years, but UB really wasnt ever prior to that. Bona was late 90's/early 2000's, but not for about a decade after, and not for about 18 years between the late 70's/late 90s. I understand Mike's comment was intended to dig- just adding some context Dutchcountry makes good points! I believe BuffaloBonnie was intentionally making a joke based on the notion that A10 is all small private schools- it has multiple large public schools (URI, UMASS, VCU, Mason)- and for what its worth- SLU and Dayton are 2 of the largest catholic schools in the country
  4. Buffalo resident who keeps up with UB (I love mid major bb, what can I say) but a diehard Bonnies fan. Just stop BuffaloBonnie. I hate when I see this shit. I know its in jest, but it doesnt matter. You make us look bad. As pointed out, we've made as many NCAA's as UB this century. We've got a whopping one more NIT. We have 1 less win in the NCAAT. 1.5, really, when you consider what round ours occurred in. Also- UB is the best nonconf game we have at home this year, by far. Let's not act like P6 and upper tier AAC programs are lining up to come play us on our home court. The additional good games we have at home this year are by virtue of our conference games, not because we're some destination Zenith. There's no love lost for me for UB. I don't particularly like them, as a matter of the rivalry that's developed- but I'm certainly thankful for the rivalry. UB is a team on our schedule every year, it's great if they're good and not meired in sub 200s like the other 3 'rivalry' games we're stuck with every year. Yes, the A10 is better than the MAC, as general rule. Yes, we have some opportunities in conference for resume building wins. But let's not forget our rise as one of the better programs in the league is only on its 6th year. It took Schmidt a while to get rolling, and you cant blame him- he inherited a pure disaster. But it's only since our 2016 team we've been among the better programs in the league, and the minute hes gone, there's no telling if we become the next GW or not. We're an ass sniff away from 4 tournaments in 6 years- one snub job and one missed buzzer beater- but at the end of the day, we didnt get in those years. And if we keep showing up to games half asleep this year, we wont make it this year, either. I've argued w UB fans, including on here, who think one program is definitively superior to the other- you want to argue that, go ahead. I think they're both relatively even lately. UB has done some really impressive things lately. But its embarrassing to thump your chest like we are Villanova and UB is Penn (to use another local rivalry game). It's a huge part of the reason UB fans hate us, and outside of hating each other during the game, there's no reason it shouldn't be a friendly rivalry. Mid-majors should stick together. I want to beat every A10 team we play, but I root like hell for every A10 team during non conference and post season. UB/Bona should, ideally, be the same way. I hope Lofton is okay. Idk if he will be. I think it'll be a good game regardless. Teams have a tendency to rise to the occasion in the immediate aftermath of a key injury. Examples of Bona on both ends of it come to mind in recent years. Best of luck to your season outside of Saturday.
  5. Schmidt’s is that now, but consider how much longer his tenure was than Oats by the time Oats received an offer for a similar amount. Schmidt started off for about what Whitsell makes now. It’s also worth noting that his last pay bump which was around $200k or so was wholly funded by an alumni donation channel. So about 25% of his paycheck isn’t being drawn from the athletic budget. i get that some of the old timers have a stuck in the 70s arrogance about them, believe me. Such has actually caused a bit of a coup d’etat over on our board. The truth is though most Bona fans under 50 are just grateful for how Schmidt has pulled Bona out of the depths of despair it was in when he arrived. We had a nice thing going in the late 90s, early 2000’s before the pointless scandal set us back. We were written off by most as past the point of return. To bring us back to being a team that all opponent’s needs to take seriously, in a highly competitive league, is a big deal to us. Especially in the face of all the challenges we would have even if it weren’t for the scandal. We’re an overpriced small catholic school in a poor location, with very little in the way of specialized or distinguished academics. in short, the deck is stacked against us to compete in our conference and so, when we are able to, we do so with a chip on our shoulder. Not all that different than the chip UB has on its shoulder about all it’s successes not being taken seriously enough. UB and Bona fans can argue all we want. For as much as we differ, we have a lot in common too.
  6. Yes, that’s my point. I applaud you for your rational commentary and way of looking at things. I’m a Buffalo resident- I read this board now and again. You’re one of the only ones around here who seems to be able to remain objective. I appreciate it.
  7. And if anyone doesn’t like me coming on here and arguing with statements that are just simply deluded untruths posted under the duress of a clear bias, perhaps consider that when some of your own come over to our board unprovoked, too. i wish UB luck the rest of the way. You’re building a great program and making great use out of the resources you have. Bona is also building something nice for themselves, despite their resource challenges. It’s good for both schools to have one another be competitive. However at this juncture , one is not in any way clearly better than the other. Happy new year.
  8. Who is hiding behind it being harder to make it in a multi bid league ? In 2015 if UB is in the Atlantic 10 they don’t sniff the tournament. That’s the only reason for listing how deep a league it was that year. EDIT: I admit I didn’t do much research into the injuries from that year, just recall Bona won. Was UB better ? Ye, seems so, but by a smaller margin Than your thumping about having made the dance would suggest. I admit my Initial wrong about the details. I believe I accounted for Wes Clark’s Injury as well. I believe Bona was the first team in the history of the NCAA tournament to be both a top 30 RPI team and have won their league regular season title, and not receive a bid. That is, by definition, an historic snub. They were also one of only 3 teams that year to notch 2 top 25 RPI road wins. I believe in 2017 Bona was up by 18 in the second half, so yes, that’s handily. EDIT: I admit not remembering that CJ did not play. Looking at the 2 seasons, I would still say that combined with the match up gives the nod to Bona- but that is probably my bias. Go with a toss up, that still supports my point. I believe in 2018, if you really want to go down the road of comparisons, we can look at Syracuse too. Bona beat them on the road, UB did not. Again, no one ever sat here and said Bona was better this season. I simply said it was a wash. I also believe a game at Dayton, 7 hours from the school, is hardly a “defecto home game”. So now Bona’s fan bases ability to travel to support their team somehow lessens their accomplishments ? 4 NCAA tournaments is excellent. But we all know in those 4 year, UB doesn’t make the tournament in 3 of them if they play in a multi bid league. Thus they wouldn’t have any more tournament appearances in that time than Bona. Thus, the once again underlying point- that UB is not markedly better the last 5 years, which was the original point. Did I ever say that Bona was better? I don’t believe I did. The 2 are very even. I can’t help it if you misinterpreted my point as trying to say Bona was better, that was not my point. And of course, I’m met with words such as idiotic, and jabs such as “you belong in the MAAC”. Again- I thought it was Bona fans who were supposed to be classless, yet which ones are the ones hurling insults?
  9. Admittedly I don’t pay attention to women’s. Bona has struggled since losing their coach. That’s the extent of my knowledge. I surely can appreciate the difficulties of competing in a 1 bid league and what can happen with one slip up. When Bona received its at large in 2018, it had to play on eggshells nearly all season long because of a few early season slip ups. That was a weak A10 that year, but nevertheless, as you point out being tasked with winning nearly every game is no short order in Division 1 hoops. Im not sure where from my post you inferred I don’t like the rules ? I love the opportunity to play in a perennial multi bid league. The point of emphasizing their having been screwed was to merely illustrate how if Bona was screwed in those years, then with the respective Resume UB had in those years, they certainly wouldn’t have gotten into the dance either. Thus, my underlying point that the men’s program has not in any way been clearly better for 5 years. Funny you mention the MAAC. With Bona’s location, size, and academics as well as budget, on paper they should be lucky to compete in the MAAC. And yet, they compete in the Atlantic 10. The odds-defying of such fuels a good deal of the pride Bona fans have. Deep state pockets, resources and a massive student body are not amongst the fortunes of Bona. As far as the unprovoked insult you throw in at the end, well. I can’t speak for your motivations for that. And yet here I thought we were supposed to be the ones lacking for class.
  10. Sorry, but it absolutely does not “go without saying” that UB men have been better than Bona’s the last 5 years. 2015- UB wins The one bid MAC. Bona finishes 7th in a 4 bid A10, which also had 2 NIT teams. Bona beats UB in their matchup. Nothing suggests UB is “better”, they simply win a far lesser league. Consensus: Bona 2016- Bona wins the A10 regular season in a 3 way tie with VCU and Dayton, and gets absolutely screwed in the selection process, a consensus all time snub. The A10 sends 3 teams to the dance and 3 more to the NIT. UB as a 4 seed has a Cinderella run to the Mac title. Bona beats UB in their matchup. That’s not UB being better, that’s UB winning an again inferior conference tournament . Consensus; Bona 2017- Bona beats UB handily, neither team really comes close to an ncaa berth. A10 sends 3 teams, MAC one. Consensus: Bona clearly the better team 2018 - Bona beats UB by 8 on the road with a one legged Jaylen Adams, Ub is missing Wes Clark. Call that a wash. Bona gets screwed into a play in game, but beats the PAC 12 UCLA anyway. UB, beats Arizona (a team who lost at home to UCLA less than a month earlier). Call that a wash. Both teams after beating PAC 12 teams get throttled by a team from the SEC (Florida and Kentucky respectively. Call that a wash. Consensus: a wash. 2019: Ub throttles Bona, clearly a better team. Makes the dance. Even when Bona was healthy and got to the A10 finals, UB clearly the better teAm. They have a strong showing in the dance with the PAC 12 win. Consensus: UB 2020: UB wins. All computer numbers and the game itself suggest a return Match at Bona’s could go in Bona’s favor. Consensus: even, slight edge to UB. Notice bona got screwed 2 times, meanwhile UB of their 4 tourney appearances only had one that was even remotely at large worthy. UB has had great success the last 5 years. It’s flatly ignorant to claim it as unmistakably better than Bona’s, however.
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