961819 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Now we all know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Insight into the departure of our former assistant coach: https://ubbulls.com/news/2020/4/21/mens-basketball-ncaa-and-university-at-buffalo-announce-negotiated-resolution-agreement.aspx Looking back it would have been better to just let Mballa sit for a year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullsBacker23 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Looks like it was worth it, Mballa is a stud and is worth a year of probation IMO. Smart move by Whitesell and co. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeseph Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Quote As a part of the process, the former assistant coach contacted one of the student-athlete’s former teammates to write a letter in support of the student-athlete’s waiver request. The former coach and the former teammate discussed the content of the statement, and the former coach drafted the statement. According to the agreement, the former teammate did not answer the former assistant coach’s calls to get the statement submitted. Then, without the former teammate’s knowledge, the former assistant coach created an email account using the former teammate’s name and submitted the statement to the associate athletics director for compliance, violating NCAA ethical conduct rules. The associate athletics director for compliance responded to the submission to request the former teammate sign a copy of the statement. In response, the former assistant coach, posing as the former teammate, continued to violate ethical conduct rules by signing and resubmitting the statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rma Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Full report goes into more detail. Penalties don't look so bad, but we're going to have at least 4 scholarships to fill when they hit which sucks. https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/infractions/decisions/Apr2020INF_UniversityBuffaloSUNYPUBLICNRAgreement.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBull Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Jenkins has severe sanctions against him personally. The decision is here: https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/infractions/decisions/Apr2020INF_UniversityBuffaloSUNYPUBLICNRAgreement.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasketBull Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jeseph said: Wow what an idiot. Glad this was caught early and he was shown the door so quickly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rma Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Who was the former teammate? Quote In addition to the student-athlete, the men's basketball program recruited the former teammate and another transfer prospect from the student-athlete’s previous institution. The assistant coach previously worked at the student-athlete’s former institution as a graduate assistant and had good working relationships with the men's basketball staff. Additionally, the assistant coach knew the former teammate because he was an incoming freshman during the assistant coach's last summer at the student-athlete’s former institution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 minute ago, rma said: Who was the former teammate? somebody who leaves coaches on read 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gxtrex Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 38 minutes ago, 961819 said: Now we all know So in laymens terms, what does the probation and recruiting sanctions mean? How bad will it affect us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB05 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 That is absolutely crazy. Who forges a letter of recommendation thinking that’s a good idea?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 This whole thing is yikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rma Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Just now, UB05 said: That is absolutely crazy. Who forges a letter of recommendation thinking that’s a good idea?? Somebody who's in their young 20's getting paid a shit ton of money without a single concern for their future career prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, Gxtrex said: So in laymens terms, what does the probation and recruiting sanctions mean? How bad will it affect us? From my understanding the probation means we have to call mom to let her know where we are going and if we're going to be out late. The rest of them are fairly self-explanatory and while not dooming they definitely put us at a disadvantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skrabukes Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Then you wonder why BB does what he does, whether you agree with it or not, it's to help prevent this type of "stuff". Is commenting on twitter equivalent to this gross abuse? No, but it all can add up, especially when now there is a reason to keep a closer eye on the UB program. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
961819 Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, skrabukes said: Then you wonder why BB does what he does, whether you agree with it or not, it's to help prevent this type of "stuff". Is commenting on twitter equivalent to this gross abuse? No, but it all can add up, especially when now there is a reason to keep a closer eye on the UB program. Oof. No BrooklynBull is still entitled and a narc, this is something completely different and does not correlate at all 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBlearns Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 I've read through both UB's story and the actual legal release, I'm a little confused. Jenkins was trying to get a recruit's (presumably Mballa) transfer waiver through. Jenkins then wrote a letter to the NCAA, from the perspective of the recruit's former teammate (presumably a former Texas Tech player who was also transferring) in support of Mballa's transfer waiver, and forged the former Texas Tech player's signature on the letter. Then the letter was sent to the NCAA with the rest of the info for the transfer waiver? Perhaps I don't know enough about the transfer waiver process, but I thought it was mostly contingent on the school from which the player is transferring (i.e. Texas Tech), their coaching staff and athletics administration. But apparently teams also submit essentially letters of recommendation from the player's teammates? Am I understanding this right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, 961819 said: Oof. No BrooklynBull is still entitled and a narc, this is something completely different and does not correlate at all Correct. Cheating recruiting coordinator and sending in fake letters as another student is gross and can't believe that behavior wasn't caught before the fake email account was made. but this does =/= All D1 teams having twitter fan accounts wishing student athletes well and to come to their school. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue32 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 I don't imagine tweeting at recruits to come to UB will ever cause an issue, but concern is reasonable when: 1.) A history of violations is cited as an aggravating factor in the NCAA's report which BrooklynBull expressed concern about. 2.) There were people on here saying a certain assistant coach was behind one of the accounts tweeting at recruits (which is another violation) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
961819 Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Kevin said: Correct. Cheating recruiting coordinator and sending in fake letters as another student is gross and can't believe that behavior wasn't caught before the fake email account was made. but this does =/= All D1 teams having twitter fan accounts wishing student athletes well and to come to their school. I seriously can’t wrap my head around the fact that there’s people on here - GROWN ADULTS - telling on people they don’t even know because they expressed support for a possible future Bull. A huge part of a recruit’s decision is feeling wanted, recruiting is becoming more and more influenced by social media. These people claim to be fans but their behavior is potentially setting the program back and putting us at a disadvantage. Also as the program grows, who in their right mind would want to become a fan of a team where the culture involves being narc’d on for saying nice things to a kid to make them feel wanted? It’s ridiculous and it’s being carried out by a “fan” with a superiority complex because they donate money and think because of that they’re a better fan than someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
961819 Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, trueblue32 said: I don't imagine tweeting at recruits to come to UB will ever cause an issue, but concern is reasonable when: 1.) A history of violations is cited as an aggravating factor in the NCAA's report which BrooklynBull expressed concern about. 2.) There were people on here saying a certain assistant coach was behind one of the accounts tweeting at recruits (which is another violation) This is a genuine question. Say there’s a recruit, and this recruit has 10 offers. He trims his list down to 5 schools and in response to his trimmed list, fans from each of the 5 remaining schools respond to his tweet with support. Hopeful that he picks their team. It doesn’t go any further than just saying nice things to express that their school’s fan base wants that player and is excited by the thought of that player picking their school. 5 different schools having fans do this, what exactly is the NCAA going to do? It happens with every recruit and even happens with players announcing their commitments to JUCO schools. So my question, what exactly is the NCAA going to do? In my opinion and through personal experience and using common sense, they won’t do anything. So now say of those 5 schools on the recruits trimmed down list, 4 of them are super excited and supportive and the last one is strangely quiet. What do you think that recruit is going to think? If I was in his shoes, I would become disinterested because clearly I’m not wanted there. This is exactly what BB is doing by reporting people for something as little as being supportive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skrabukes Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, 961819 said: I seriously can’t wrap my head around the fact that there’s people on here - GROWN ADULTS - telling on people they don’t even know because they expressed support for a possible future Bull. A huge part of a recruit’s decision is feeling wanted, recruiting is becoming more and more influenced by social media. These people claim to be fans but their behavior is potentially setting the program back and putting us at a disadvantage. Also as the program grows, who in their right mind would want to become a fan of a team where the culture involves being narc’d on for saying nice things to a kid to make them feel wanted? It’s ridiculous and it’s being carried out by a “fan” with a superiority complex because they donate money and think because of that they’re a better fan than someone else. I agree with this, but the rules haven't adjusted to social media in that way. Fans can like, comment but boosters cannot. Therefore if you've never given $$ to ub athletics, then have a blast. Again, whether we agree with it or not, now ub will have someone looking over their shoulders now because of a very poor decision by someone who is no longer there. Luckily it was caught in a quick enough timeframe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
961819 Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, skrabukes said: I agree with this, but the rules haven't adjusted to social media in that way. Fans can like, comment but boosters cannot. Therefore if you've never given $$ to ub athletics, then have a blast. Again, whether we agree with it or not, now ub will have someone looking over their shoulders now because of a very poor decision by someone who is no longer there. Luckily it was caught in a quick enough timeframe. To be honest, I didn’t consider the booster part. I get so frustrated when I see the holier than thou mindset that I don’t think that far into it and you’re correct. However, not everyone is a booster and I feel like BB is just reporting everyone Edited April 21, 2020 by 961819 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue32 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, 961819 said: This is a genuine question. Say there’s a recruit, and this recruit has 10 offers. He trims his list down to 5 schools and in response to his trimmed list, fans from each of the 5 remaining schools respond to his tweet with support. Hopeful that he picks their team. It doesn’t go any further than just saying nice things to express that their school’s fan base wants that player and is excited by the thought of that player picking their school. 5 different schools having fans do this, what exactly is the NCAA going to do? It happens with every recruit and even happens with players announcing their commitments to JUCO schools. So my question, what exactly is the NCAA going to do? In my opinion and through personal experience and using common sense, they won’t do anything. So now say of those 5 schools on the recruits trimmed down list, 4 of them are super excited and supportive and the last one is strangely quiet. What do you think that recruit is going to think? If I was in his shoes, I would become disinterested because clearly I’m not wanted there. This is exactly what BB is doing by reporting people for something as little as being supportive I mean I agree with you as I stated in the original post. I'm not here to defend the ethics of the NCAA, but the rules are the rules. I'd rather not see harsher punishments to the programs we all obviously care about because boosters have the insatiable desire to tweet at 17-20 year olds. You can even like and RT their content to "show love", it's a weird line but the NCAA suspends kids for playing in charity exhibitions over the summer, so I don't know that we're safe from NCAA BS when we're already on probation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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