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By now you have probably seen

https://twitter.com/UBRecruiting/status/1288099610670632964

and

https://twitter.com/UBFootball/status/1286677524466999296

They both look great!  But, I wanted to know how that compares with the rest of the conference.  So, I looked back over the past ten tears, and counted all the watch lists the current members of the MAC received. 

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Then, I wanted to see how closely this might translate to on the field performance.  So, I added Jeff Saragin's end of season rankings to the picture. 

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4 hours ago, 121Merrimac said:

Here is an itemized breakdown of the different award watch lists.  It shows the summation of all the current members of the MAC.  (Where have all the receivers gone?)

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Hey thanks for sharing - would be curious to see grouped in two ways - first group the awards by category Offense (Rimington, Outland, O'Brien, Biletnikoff, Walker, Mackey), Defense (Butkus, Nagurski, Thorpe and Benarik), Special Teams (Groza, Guy) and All Other (Hornung, Maxwell, Camp and Wuerffel).  My thinking would be get some insight as to how offense vs defense are perceived).  The other thing I was thining is group by category so you could see trends.  That is if you have time - interest.

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No problem Doc, I can make some changes.  By listing the awards in that order I was essentially trying to do what you are asking for.  By adding the three colors, I was attempting to provide reference points within the 16 bars to help differentiate between categories, but you are right, it is still much too cluttered.  Going back made me realize that I had a filter set incorrectly on the original bar chart though.  Here is an update to the original format.

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And now, the 4 categories, each on their own.

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And finally these 4 categories, compared with each other.  While glancing at the original chart, I though the conference might be getting more defensive, but I wasn't really sure.  Since 2017, it is quite clear that overall, the offense and defense are headed in opposite directions.

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22 minutes ago, 121Merrimac said:

No problem Doc, I can make some changes.  By listing the awards in that order I was essentially trying to do what you are asking for.  By adding the three colors, I was attempting to provide reference points within the 16 bars to help differentiate between categories, but you are right, it is still much too cluttered.  Going back made me realize that I had a filter set incorrectly on the original bar chart though.  Here is an update to the original format.

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And now, the 4 categories, each on their own.

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And finally these 4 categories, compared with each other.  While glancing at the original chart, I though the conference might be getting more defensive, but I wasn't really sure.  Since 2017, it is quite clear that overall, the offense and defense are headed in opposite directions.

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First off, thank you for sorting through the charts.  Second - it does appear that the conference has upgraded on the defensive side over time.

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52 minutes ago, DocCas86 said:

First off, thank you for sorting through the charts.  Second - it does appear that the conference has upgraded on the defensive side over time.

You're welcome.  Thanks for the suggestions.  It has given me an excuse to explore charting tools that I haven't used before.

Enough about the whole conference though, this one is all Buffalo.

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2 hours ago, 121Merrimac said:

You're welcome.  Thanks for the suggestions.  It has given me an excuse to explore charting tools that I haven't used before.

Enough about the whole conference though, this one is all Buffalo.

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I borrowed your data and combined with rankings from Massey.  I graphed number of players on Offense + Defense watch list.  The correlation for all years is not great, but 2016 (underperformed) and 2019 (outperformed) brings correlation down.  Note Massey has us ranked at 74 for 2020 which is included in the data.

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5 hours ago, DocCas86 said:

I borrowed your data and combined with rankings from Massey.  I graphed number of players on Offense + Defense watch list.  The correlation for all years is not great, but 2016 (underperformed) and 2019 (outperformed) brings correlation down.  Note Massey has us ranked at 74 for 2020 which is included in the data.

Turns out, none of the teams showed great correlation.  Least of all NIU, as 2012 was their best season of the decade, and they didn't have a single player recognized by one of these lists.  Instead of showing each team, I just lumped them all in together.

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