Scheduling in-season home/home series. What do you think? Is it a good solution?

[dutchcountry7]

29 minutes ago, bull_trojan said:

The dilemma for Buffalo is we can schedule 2 games many ways:

1) 2 road buy games = 200k
2) 1 road buy game + 1 home game = 100k - cost to bring team to alumni + revenue at alumni.
3) Home and  home = Revenue at Alumni

Financially, do we think #3 makes us more than #1 or #2, I don't.

It isn't just about that one game though.  As those games at home create fans that buy multiple tickets a year, even to games that are less than stellar.  Just like all the people who went to the Daemen exhibition game. You didn't go to that game unless you were already a fan of UB basketball or you had family involved. 

And your numbers are off.  UB gets paid about $85k for a buy game.  They then spend $30k for the trip on average.   Remember the whole point of the money is to cover travel costs.  

Really, when all is said and done it's more like $50k per guarantee game that the athletic department benefits from.

 So your numbers look more like this:

1) 2 road buy games = 100k
2) 1 road buy game + 1 home game = 10k (if low level D1 team)  or 35k if non-D1 team
3) Home and  home = 0 roughly

 

 

[dutchcountry7]

11 minutes ago, bull_trojan said:

I'd love the Big 4 classic:

Pre tourney round:
Michigan @ UB
UCF @ Cansius
UConn @ Bona
Va Tech @ Niagara

 

1. You can't hold this event more than once every four years because teams can't play in an event more than once every four years.  So you would have to alternate which Big 4 team played in it each year. Unless you wanted to hold it only one time.

2. If held only one time, you still can't host all the teams because Niagara and Canisius are in the same conference.  Only one team per conference is permitted in an event.

3. Michigan is not playing at UB.  Not going to happen.  Possibly Toronto.  

4. There are already too many events.  Vancouver Shootout couldn't fill their field so Texas A&M only got two games.  They were suppose to get four.  The top teams have their pick.  Michigan plays in Maui and Atlantis every cycle.  Same with UConn.  How much will you pay the teams to be there?  Atlantis pays the 8 teams $2 Million with $1 Million going to the team that wins the tournament. Buffalo doesn't have the resources to run an event and to put up the money.  This is why conferences host most tournaments.

 

[MillenniumBull]

If UB becomes the team afraid to lose on the road to other mid majors, they become everything we hate about the college basketball landscape.  Home and homes alleviate some risk.  The WV win put us on the radar, following it up with the very good win at SIU (which may be a tier 1 win when all is said and done) got us the ranking.  And SIU will be our best OOC home game. Not sure what to dislike about that.  H&H are great with the right dance partners.

[bull_trojan]

5 minutes ago, dutchcountry7 said:

It isn't just about that one game though.  As those games at home create fans that buy multiple tickets a year, even to games that are less than stellar.  Just like all the people who went to the Daemen exhibition game. You didn't go to that game unless you were already a fan of UB basketball or you had family involved. 

And your numbers are off.  UB gets paid about $85k for a buy game.  They then spend $30k for the trip on average.   Remember the whole point of the money is to cover travel costs.  

Really, when all is said and done it's more like $50k per guarantee game that the athletic department benefits from.

 So your numbers look more like this:

1) 2 road buy games = 100k
2) 1 road buy game + 1 home game = 10k (if low level D1 team)  or 35k if non-D1 team
3) Home and  home = 0 roughly

1) 2 road buy games:
Revenue =170k (85k x 2 games)
Expense = 70k (35k x 2 games)
Profit = 100k

2) 1 road buy game + 1 home game
Revenue = 85k+X (85k x 1 game, X = typical AA home game revenue)
Expense = 45k+Y (35k travel +10k to bring in D1 team, Y = typical cost of AA home game)
Profit = 40k + X - Y

3) Home and Home
Revenue = X + B (B = additional revenue for AA big game)
Expense = 35k + Y + G (35k travel, G = additional cost of AA Big Game)
Profit = -35k + X + B - Y - G

Just making up numbers here:

but if we make $20/ fan, it costs 15k fixed to play a game at AA and variable costs are $5/fan...and a typical AA game is 3k fans, with a big game being 6k fans...

1) = 100k

2) = (40k + 60k) - (45k + 30k) = 25k

3) = 120k - (35k + 75k) = 10k

 

[bull_trojan]

8 minutes ago, dutchcountry7 said:

1. You can't hold this event more than once every four years because teams can't play in an event more than once every four years.  So you would have to alternate which Big 4 team played in it each year. Unless you wanted to hold it only one time.

2. If held only one time, you still can't host all the teams because Niagara and Canisius are in the same conference.  Only one team per conference is permitted in an event.

3. Michigan is not playing at UB.  Not going to happen.  Possibly Toronto.  

4. There are already too many events.  Vancouver Shootout couldn't fill their field so Texas A&M only got two games.  They were suppose to get four.  The top teams have their pick.  Michigan plays in Maui and Atlantis every cycle.  Same with UConn.  How much will you pay the teams to be there?  Atlantis pays the 8 teams $2 Million with $1 Million going to the team that wins the tournament. Buffalo doesn't have the resources to run an event and to put up the money.  This is why conferences host most tournaments.

 

 

1. You're right on this one, I forget the rules are a little different for Hawaii.

The biggest work around then is to change the event every year, rather than change the teams. Toronto shootout year 1, Buffalo shootout year 2, UB shootout year 3, Casino Niagara shootout y4

[dutchcountry7]

17 minutes ago, bull_trojan said:

1) 2 road buy games:
Revenue =170k (85k x 2 games)
Expense = 70k (35k x 2 games)
Profit = 100k

2) 1 road buy game + 1 home game
Revenue = 85k+X (85k x 1 game, X = typical AA home game revenue)
Expense = 45k+Y (35k travel +10k to bring in D1 team, Y = typical cost of AA home game)
Profit = 40k + X - Y

3) Home and Home
Revenue = X + B (B = additional revenue for AA big game)
Expense = 35k + Y + G (35k travel, G = additional cost of AA Big Game)
Profit = -35k + X + B - Y - G

Just making up numbers here:

but if we make $20/ fan, it costs 15k fixed to play a game at AA and variable costs are $5/fan...and a typical AA game is 3k fans, with a big game being 6k fans...

1) = 100k

2) = (40k + 60k) - (45k + 30k) = 25k

3) = 120k - (35k + 75k) = 10k

 

Your numbers are way off.  No D1 team gets bought for less than $35k and it only gets that low when they are playing a type of a similar level and there is nearly no expense for travel (like Fordham buying LIU-Brooklyn this year).

I gave you ball park numbers.

[rma]

2 hours ago, Jeseph said:

This is an understated aspect of our inability to draw crowds. People in the Buffalo area think/talk about UB like some regional school. There is no allegiance to the program in our own community. You have a newspaper that can't get over Danny White and a sports radio station that occasionally bumps our wins on sports updates. People think we're some tax-hogging public school tucked away from the city.

Meanwhile the Bills, further away from the city of Buffalo is fair game?  A bunch of our campuses (2? 3? I lost track) are within the city limits.

The "Horns Down" county exec finally seems to have given the men's basketball team some love.

[Kevin]

6 hours ago, bull_trojan said:

1) 2 road buy games:
Revenue =170k (85k x 2 games)
Expense = 70k (35k x 2 games)
Profit = 100k

2) 1 road buy game + 1 home game
Revenue = 85k+X (85k x 1 game, X = typical AA home game revenue)
Expense = 45k+Y (35k travel +10k to bring in D1 team, Y = typical cost of AA home game)
Profit = 40k + X - Y

3) Home and Home
Revenue = X + B (B = additional revenue for AA big game)
Expense = 35k + Y + G (35k travel, G = additional cost of AA Big Game)
Profit = -35k + X + B - Y - G

Just making up numbers here:

but if we make $20/ fan, it costs 15k fixed to play a game at AA and variable costs are $5/fan...and a typical AA game is 3k fans, with a big game being 6k fans...

1) = 100k

2) = (40k + 60k) - (45k + 30k) = 25k

3) = 120k - (35k + 75k) = 10k

 

[dutchcountry7]

On ‎12‎/‎3‎/‎2018 at 11:05 AM, Jeseph said:

TBH I don't take the time to consider at-large opportunities. I think our schedule should exist to prepare us for late/post-season play. I don't love the idea of playing SIU twice outside of the fact that they're a gritty team that will keep us on our toes. For the most part, I don't see the draw unless it was a cross-town (or close proximity) rival.

UB is in a position to control their destiny but the goal should always be to win the conference championship, barring significant injury this year coming short of that would be a major disappointment. If we do get upset in Cleveland an at-large bid is still probably unlikely unless we win-out OOC.

Do you still feel this way?

SIU is a HUGE home game.  The Bulls could actually be in at-large contention this year.

[Jeseph]

7 minutes ago, dutchcountry7 said:

Do you still feel this way?

SIU is a HUGE home game.  The Bulls could actually be in at-large contention this year.

For the most part, yes. Winning 3 of 4 to end the (calendar) year would certainly put us in contention but the MAC has some weak teams so I fear a couple losses would still hurt our chances.

I also think the idea of being an at-large would be really cool but would always rather win the conference and have a loss + at-large be a worst-case fallback.

[dutchcountry7]

 

Buffalo news: Oats says to expect more in-season home and home series In The years to come.

[Jeseph]

On 12/3/2018 at 12:48 PM, dutchcountry7 said:

Which mayor?

Buffalo or Amherst?

I am not sure how motivated Buffalo will be to promote a team that plays in another city.  "Buffalo Mayor tells residents to go to the suburbs."

He’s been tweeting about us quite a bit lately 🙂

 

 

[dutchcountry7]

2 hours ago, Jeseph said:

He’s been tweeting about us quite a bit lately 🙂

 

 

I suppose anything to help keep his name out there in things that are less controversial...