DooleyBull06 Posted April 14, 2019 Author Share Posted April 14, 2019 11 hours ago, BN11 said: Rojas told a Bama site that when he’s released from his LOI, he’ll commit to Bama. I wonder if they are recruiting Allen as well. Alabama is recruiting at a level that imo is beyond Rojas. They have a class of 3 4 stars, Hawkins and Beetle Bolden coming in. And as said are still in on Watford. And they retained Petty and Lewis. This team will be stacked and should be a tournament team. Expectations are really high on Nate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenBulls Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 I find it very unethical for Oats to go after our recruits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 32 minutes ago, BenBulls said: I find it very unethical for Oats to go after our recruits. It sucks but he and Hodgson recruited them, not “us”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
121Merrimac Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, Jeseph said: It sucks but he and Hodgson recruited them, not “us”. And... are the coaches still recruiting them, or are the players trying to follow them to the SEC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB92 Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 1 hour ago, BenBulls said: I find it very unethical for Oats to go after our recruits. Ethics and coaches in top college sports don't go hand in hand! The part I find interesting is that (beyond Hawkins) Alabama feels as though some of the recruits that have decommitted from UB are P5 material. I would have thought Alabama's name could pull better recruits. If not, it just underscores/reiterates how well Oats/Hodgson were doing from a recruiting standpoint while at UB. It would have been interesting to see, if Hodgson was given the UB job more immediately, how well he could have pulled in some / kept some of the recruits. We'll never know, but that's always been an unanswerable question in all that has gone down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue32 Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 3 hours ago, BenBulls said: I find it very unethical for Oats to go after our recruits. Very unethical of him to give high school kids more (and better) options. The ethical thing to do would be to force them to go to our school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rma Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 1 scholarship spot left at Alabama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
961819 Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 20 minutes ago, rma said: 1 scholarship spot left at Alabama. They should fill it with a true blue blood SEC-level athlete like *checks notes* James Rojas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skrabukes Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, 961819 said: They should fill it with a true blue blood SEC-level athlete like *checks notes* James Rojas? Or maybe a 5 start guy who went to high school in Alabama and was in the McD all-american game. I didn't realize Rojas was SEC caliber. I mean, I know that playing in ECIC in section 6 a year ago has him ready for the SEC grind. I couldn't care less honestly. I just want to see us fill out our roster. Can we lock down these threads about guys who are guaranteed to no longer be attending UB? They've been released and they will not be Bulls. I wish them all nothing but missing NCAA championships year after year, much like Navigato. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
961819 Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, skrabukes said: Or maybe a 5 start guy who went to high school in Alabama and was in the McD all-american game. I didn't realize Rojas was SEC caliber. I mean, I know that playing in ECIC in section 6 a year ago has him ready for the SEC grind. I couldn't care less honestly. I just want to see us fill out our roster. Can we lock down these threads about guys who are guaranteed to no longer be attending UB? They've been released and they will not be Bulls. I wish them all nothing but missing NCAA championships year after year, much like Navigato. I was being sarcastic but agree that these should be locked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted April 14, 2019 Author Share Posted April 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, skrabukes said: Or maybe a 5 start guy who went to high school in Alabama and was in the McD all-american game. I didn't realize Rojas was SEC caliber. I mean, I know that playing in ECIC in section 6 a year ago has him ready for the SEC grind. I couldn't care less honestly. I just want to see us fill out our roster. Can we lock down these threads about guys who are guaranteed to no longer be attending UB? They've been released and they will not be Bulls. I wish them all nothing but missing NCAA championships year after year, much like Navigato. Totally agree that any of those JUCOs are SEC caliber players. And if any of them do ride the Oats train have fun on the bench. Bc newsflash...P5 teams are always in recruit mode and always looking for better. It will be interesting to see Hawkins and his development. Whether he becomes a great big or gets lost on the bench bc Oats brought in higher rated centers in 2020 or 2021 and beyond. It’s funny, if Oats wins right away I think Hawkins will have less success bc Oats will be able to recruit better. These guys would’ve made great MAC players but great SEC player? That’s a big leap. But as also said by other board members...they aren’t Bulls and maybe they will be great and I’m just bitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
961819 Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, DooleyBull06 said: But as also said by other board members...they aren’t Bulls and maybe they will be great and I’m just bitter. The fan in me knows that I’m definitely bitter but I also really doubt if it’s in these players best interest to try playing at an SEC level. Like you said, they’re running a high risk of being buried on the bench when they could get significant minutes in the MAC Edited April 14, 2019 by 961819 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted April 14, 2019 Author Share Posted April 14, 2019 He’s the 3rd rated JUCO and he is choosing to stay. Yea I know it’s Hoiberg and a P5 school but just interesting that he is choosing to stay and start whereas the JUCOs we had are choosing to leave a starting opportunity behind for who knows what and where. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue32 Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 (edited) Why do we have to lock every thread? We can't discuss players that were once recruited by us? I feel like Shannon Evans is brought up in every thread. Content of the forum should be decided by the community as a whole rather than the mods. If everyone agrees there's no reason to discuss Andre Allen then there will be no posts here. Edited April 14, 2019 by trueblue32 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, 961819 said: I was being sarcastic but agree that these should be locked I disagree - this board, not too long ago was asking about interest and engagement. These are active threads that people are interested in, and they get locked. Makes no sense if you want to build a community. Edited April 14, 2019 by ed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 2 hours ago, DooleyBull06 said: These guys would’ve made great MAC players but great SEC player? That’s a big leap. But as also said by other board members...they aren’t Bulls and maybe they will be great and I’m just bitter. So a month ago we're talking about being legit contenders, and the best recruits we've ever had. Now these guys, who were going to help solidify our status as perennial contenders (and maybe bring us to the next level!) are sitting the bench at a school that didn't make the tournament. Yea, probably some sour grapes there from us. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted April 14, 2019 Author Share Posted April 14, 2019 13 minutes ago, ed said: So a month ago we're talking about being legit contenders, and the best recruits we've ever had. Now these guys, who were going to help solidify our status as perennial contenders (and maybe bring us to the next level!) are sitting the bench at a school that didn't make the tournament. Yea, probably some sour grapes there from us. The standard for us is considerable lower than that of any SEC program. This was our best recruiting class ever. By comparison 3 JUCOs, a 3 star guard and 3 star center would be considered at best an average recruiting class for SEC schools. Sure Alabama didn’t make the tourney last year but they have underclassmen flirting with the draft. Kira Lewis who is returning to the team was flirting with transferring to Duke. So yea I think Durey Cadwell can be great in the SEC (heavy sarcasm). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, DooleyBull06 said: The standard for us is considerable lower than that of any SEC program. This was our best recruiting class ever. But we weren't talking about using any lower standards for us - we were talking about building into a perennial top 25 team and these guys being good enough to help us do that. That's not a lower standard than Alabama has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted April 14, 2019 Author Share Posted April 14, 2019 1 minute ago, ed said: But we weren't talking about using any lower standards for us - we were talking about building into a perennial top 25 team and these guys being good enough to help us do that. That's not a lower standard than Alabama has. I beg to differ. Naturally being in a P5 conference and paying coaches they way they do the standard is naturally high. Ask any P5 school and they will laugh at you or get mad at you if you tell them that any MAC school is on their level. We were/are building to get to that level but it would have and still will take more time. Alabama despite not good success is on that level inherently. Or at least they think they are and try to act like they are. Those guys would’ve helped us greatly. But I feel like they will be just another player on Alabama’s roster. Especially when Alabama is recruiting guys like Watford. Who if he signs would trump a guy like Allen or Rojas. As I have said Nate is gonna have to deal with running things his way and dealing with how boosters want to run him. And that includes what type of player gets recruited and gets playing time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, DooleyBull06 said: I beg to differ. You do now. 😉 A month ago you were talking about oats building a dynasty. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
961819 Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, ed said: You do now. 😉 A month ago you were talking about oats building a dynasty. 😂 So was everyone else, I really must be missing your point here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted April 14, 2019 Author Share Posted April 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, ed said: You do now. 😉 A month ago you were talking about oats building a dynasty. 😂 I was. A dynasty here at Buffalo. He built a MAC dynasty. He was looking to grow it more nationally. At Alabama he’s going to have to do better. With great paycheck comes great expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, 961819 said: So was everyone else, I really must be missing your point here the point was pretty explicit - a month ago people on this board were claiming our best recruiting class would help us become contenders. Now, the same recruits, which could make us into contenders, are apparently bench level players in a different conference. That's a lot of sour grapes, or a whole lot of being on oats' jock (or both, which is what I really think it is). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
961819 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, ed said: the point was pretty explicit - a month ago people on this board were claiming our best recruiting class would help us become contenders. Now, the same recruits, which could make us into contenders, are apparently bench level players in a different conference. That's a lot of sour grapes, or a whole lot of being on oats' jock (or both, which is what I really think it is). Or just maybe there is a different competition level between the MAC and SEC? We were talking about them making us contenders for the MAC title and then being competitive again in the NCAA tournament. We weren’t talking about them bringing us to the National Championship Game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, 961819 said: Or just maybe there is a different competition level between the MAC and SEC? We were talking about them making us contenders for the MAC title and then being competitive again in the NCAA tournament. We weren’t talking about them bringing us to the National Championship Game We were talking about being top 25 and being the Gonzaga of the east. That's obviously, inherently, competitive with SEC teams. I don't think anybody was really all psyched at the thought that "we're really building a top MAC team!" Edited April 15, 2019 by ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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