promotherobot Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Let's look at it another way. Say Houston and UCF jump to the Big 12 in the next few years? Who does the AAC consider to replace them? Who is better than Buffalo when you consider market size, location and performance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rma Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Reverend_Goose said: Also, I was told the UCF home-and-home in WBB was mostly due to Coach Jack's relationship with UCF's coach, Katie Abrahamson-Henderson--who spent a few years as Jack's Associate HC at Indiana.  I totally forgot that they played here too. And I think we swept that series too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBull Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 hours ago, dutchcountry7 said: Yup. There has been a little bit of it. Of course, football games are scheduled many years in advance. Tournament games in basketball don't count. Only thing that counts is home/home. Reggie was able to land a deal with Temple when he was here. That was a big get and looked like the Bulls were making the step. When schools are willing to go to Buffalo for games they will be considered equals. That is what a conference does it puts you on equal footing for scheduling. When it becomes regular and no one considers it a big deal to get an American Conference team to come to Buffalo, we will be on the cusp of moving up. That deal was when Temple played football in the MAC. They agreed to a certain number of MAC games a year in basketball. The same with UMass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bull_trojan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 5 hours ago, JoeyRattlesnake said: Yeah, I'm not sure why the infatuation with moving to the AAC. MAC makes 833k annually per school. AAC deal is up, they could make as much as 20 million annually per school and are not expected to make less than 10 million annually per school. Less games in Ohio, more games in our Student-Alumni footprint. Long trips to fun destinations: Houston, Dallas, New Orleans, Orlando, Tampa, Carolina Coast, Philly, Memphis... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
121Merrimac Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, bull_trojan said: ... Long trips to fun destinations: Houston, Dallas, New Orleans, Orlando, Tampa, Carolina Coast, Philly, Memphis... Sounds nice, but... Other threads have suggested that college fans are looking for cheaper entertainment than nfl tickets.  How many will suddenly pay more and actually travel (anywhere)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
121Merrimac Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 What good are performance based incentives, if you’re given a raise every year?  For me, it’s one or the other, not both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bull_trojan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 121Merrimac said: What good are performance based incentives, if you’re given a raise every year?  For me, it’s one or the other, not both. I agree, the issue to me seems to be that people don't think out their performance based incentives and I don't think they budget properly for them... Fresno (https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/marek-warszawski/article222053650.html) did a good job with intentional incentives, but they are paying Tedford a bunch... Edited March 13, 2019 by bull_trojan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchcountry7 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 4 hours ago, BrooklynBull said: That deal was when Temple played football in the MAC. They agreed to a certain number of MAC games a year in basketball. The same with UMass. Thank you. I knew this and had forgotten. That means we were further away than I thought... Still waiting for a good team other than St. Bona to come to Alumni... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rma Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 hours ago, bull_trojan said: I agree, the issue to me seems to be that people don't think out their performance based incentives and I don't think they budget properly for them... Fresno (https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/marek-warszawski/article222053650.html) did a good job with intentional incentives, but they are paying Tedford a bunch... We could do the prop bet incentives like UConn football did. First basket, per game - $100 Opposing player fouls out, per player - $100 Dunk, per dunk (max 5 per game) - $100 Dunk on a lottery draft pick - $1000 10-0+ run, (max 1 per game) - $200 Sportscenter top 10 play, per play - $250 Sportscenter #1 play, per play - $500 Home game is 2 deep along the track - $300 (add $100 for each additional layer of audience, max 5) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
121Merrimac Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, rma said: ... Home game is 2 deep along the track - $300 (add $100 for each additional layer of audience, max 5) What was good for Bobby should be good for Nate too, right? 3 hours ago, bull_trojan said: I agree, the issue to me seems to be that people don't think out their performance based incentives and I don't think they budget properly for them... Which is terrifying.  Budget for the worst case, and save any unused ‘profit’ for the eventual raise.  Hypothetical U can’t budget a 5 year variable contract?  Then I doubt they can create and stick to larger 20 year capital projects.  And Hypothetical Me doesn’t feel comfortable donating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted March 14, 2019 Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 Oats close to a deal. https://www.wgrz.com/article/sports/1-on-1-with-nate-oats-on-contract-extension-mac-coach-of-the-year-and-upcoming-quarterfinals/71-25107710-fee7-4704-9c19-64354a2b4a16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
121Merrimac Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Growth... (general, other than just basketball) Try displacing the high school that has been renting their stadium out to FCBuffalo... like Cincinnati has been doing for a few years. Ref: https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/03/13/fc-cincinnati-nearing-sellout-inaugural-mls-home-opener Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rma Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 29 minutes ago, 121Merrimac said: Growth... (general, other than just basketball) Try displacing the high school that has been renting their stadium out to FCBuffalo... like Cincinnati has been doing for a few years. Ref: https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/03/13/fc-cincinnati-nearing-sellout-inaugural-mls-home-opener UB Stadium is a terrible football stadium. It is an even worse soccer stadium. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
121Merrimac Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 1 minute ago, rma said: UB Stadium is a terrible football stadium. It is an even worse soccer stadium. Point taken, but sight lines are the same, so I won't call it worse for one sport or the other. I'm just suggesting, trying to leverage everything out of what they have, before they tear it down and rebuild. (IF that's what eventually happens) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
121Merrimac Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, rma said: UB Stadium is a terrible football stadium. It is an even worse soccer stadium. Alternative response... If no one wants to rent your stuff because it's no good, consider renovating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 h/t @BrazenBull 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGBull Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jeseph said: h/t @BrazenBull This is amazing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBFan99 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 What’s the buyout? That’s all that really matters in terms of hoping he’s not plucked by a bigger program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pottier25 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Not sure if this was posted anywhere else but new contract is 837,000. Not bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rma Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 $225k through donations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, SGBull said: This is amazing! *sigh* 13 minutes ago, UBFan99 said: What’s the buyout? That’s all that really matters in terms of hoping he’s not plucked by a bigger program. there's basically no hope whatsoever that the buyout is big enough to prevent him from being snagged by a bigger program if they want him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weareub46 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, ed said: *sigh* there's basically no hope whatsoever that the buyout is big enough to prevent him from being snagged by a bigger program if they want him. It’s still great news. There’s no way we could produce a number that could compete with some of the bigger teams but it’s all going to come down to how dedicated Oats is to really building sometning here. Time will tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrazenBull Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Buyout is now 750K. Last year's was 1M, dropped to 500K after this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB85 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Another outstanding and more insightful article on Nate than I think I’ve seen. https://sports.yahoo.com/how-nate-oats-went-from-high-school-math-teacher-to-the-countrys-hottest-coach-180301441.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promotherobot Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 1 hour ago, BrazenBull said: Buyout is now 750K. Last year's was 1M, dropped to 500K after this season. But with the extension wouldn't be back to a mil or more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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