blue Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 I never want us to be like Syracuse, ugh. Zone defenses by their nature tend to be finesse and seem to coax players into a softer passive style. As noted by dooleybull06 you lose the rebounding edge - bc you're playing an area and less able to box your man out. Good man defenses are aggressive and I think tend to juice a players competitive instincts. It can turn everything up a notch. A really good man D sometimes gets described as relentless, you'll never hear that said about a zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
961819 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 4 hours ago, blue said: What is all this zone talk? I've never seen us play anything but man D. Now some here are suggesting we become something we're not. Syracuse's Boeheim can have his zone, I love our man to man. Cultivate your better self and don't try and be a chameleon. There's not enough time in the day - guaranteed way to lose! Well that’s a losing mindset lol. We’re not suggesting they switch permanently to a zone defense, we’re suggesting they take advantage of a very obvious weakness in their opponents offensive scheme. Good teams game plan for their opponents and come out ready to do what it takes to get the win, and if that means playing a zone for small portions of this one game then so be it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
961819 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 44 minutes ago, blue said: I never want us to be like Syracuse, ugh. Zone defenses by their nature tend to be finesse and seem to coax players into a softer passive style. As noted by dooleybull06 you lose the rebounding edge - bc you're playing an area and less able to box your man out. Good man defenses are aggressive and I think tend to juice a players competitive instincts. It can turn everything up a notch. A really good man D sometimes gets described as relentless, you'll never hear that said about a zone. You didn’t read a single listed reason about why a zone defense would be good in this game did you? Vanderbilt has shit themselves every single time their opponent switched into a zone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee4three Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 I'd imagine we see some zone this year with the lack of big depth, especially if mballa hardnett or brock are in serious foul trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire17 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 20 hours ago, Markscranton said: game is on espn+. it is listed. go bulls I’ve looked at upcoming events in the NCAAM basketball under ESPN+ and it lists the UB vs Vandy game as N SEC+ ‘Guess I’ll find out at 8 tonight. Go Bulls! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Friendly wager here: Over/Under 3.5 times you see UB play a zone d tonight. I take the under. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, 961819 said: Well that’s a losing mindset lol. We’re not suggesting they switch permanently to a zone defense, we’re suggesting they take advantage of a very obvious weakness in their opponents offensive scheme. Good teams game plan for their opponents and come out ready to do what it takes to get the win, and if that means playing a zone for small portions of this one game then so be it. Be a little this, be a little that and call it innovating. I couldn't disagree with you more. Good teams are confident in who they are and their approach to winning doesn't change with the wind. You don't attack an opponent from weakness (we don't play zone d) and say its because that's their weakness. You stay in character and keep getting better at what you do! That's what the good programs do - they make their opposition defend their strengths. Over the past 6 years this approach seems to be working pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
961819 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, blue said: Be a little this, be a little that and call it innovating. I couldn't disagree with you more. Good teams are confident in who they are and their approach to winning doesn't change with the wind. You don't attack an opponent from weakness (we don't play zone d) and say its because that's their weakness. You stay in character and keep getting better at what you do! That's what the good programs do - they make their opposition defend their strengths. Over the past 6 years this approach seems to be working pretty well. That’s pretty inaccurate and I’m going to have to agree to disagree. Resistance to change over time and being stuck in your ways is how programs that have a glamorous past fade into irrelevancy. The fact that you’re opposed to the thought of strategically exploiting an opponents clear weakness is baffling as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, 961819 said: That’s pretty inaccurate and I’m going to have to agree to disagree. Resistance to change over time and being stuck in your ways is how programs that have a glamorous past fade into irrelevancy. The fact that you’re opposed to the thought of strategically exploiting an opponents clear weakness is baffling as well I'm talking to a rock. ok So now UB has been doing it all wrong. They need to be a little bit of everybody else - don't think so. But you saw 1 game and you now have all the answers on how to beat Vanderbilt. sure dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
961819 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, blue said: I'm talking to a rock. ok So now UB has been doing it all wrong. They need to be a little bit of everybody else - don't think so. But you saw 1 game and you now have all the answers on how to beat Vanderbilt. sure dude Yes I’m definitely a rock 😂 I never said they were doing it all wrong, these were suggestions for ONE GAME and you’re thinking I mean for the whole season. Thank god you aren’t a coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, 961819 said: Yes I’m definitely a rock 😂 I never said they were doing it all wrong, these were suggestions for ONE GAME and you’re thinking I mean for the whole season. Thank god you aren’t a coach Turn it on and off like a faucet, like for just one game. Well we sure as heck know you're not coach but I wouldn't mind if you coached the opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
121Merrimac Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, squire17 said: I’ve looked at upcoming events in the NCAAM basketball under ESPN+ and it lists the UB vs Vandy game as N SEC+ ‘Guess I’ll find out at 8 tonight. Go Bulls! My take is that it is produced by SECN+. And, that network is part of the ESPN package, so you don't have to worry about not having SECN+ directly. (I believe that it's actually part of ESPN3 {cable subscription}, which is then also part of ESPN+ {stand alone subscription} ). So you should be able to watch the game if you have any of SECN+, ESPN3 or ESPN+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
961819 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, blue said: Turn it on and off like a faucet, like for just one game. Well we sure as heck know you're not coach but I wouldn't mind if you coached the opposition. I can’t be bothered to try to reason with someone that probably still owns a flip phone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue32 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) I see both points of view here. I'd consider zone more if we were considerably outmatched talent wise or if this one game meant more. I don't think this is a spot where we need to be changing our gameplan though. Our team has a bunch of good guards that can stay in front of people and we lack the length to maximize the benefits of a zone. If we need to change our whole defensive philosophy for a team that's grading out as a mid tier MAC team on the analytics sites then we're in for a long year lol. Anyway this game doesn't mean a whole lot in terms of our postseason hopes, it should be an opportunity for the team to grow in their identity. All that said it would be fun to see Whitesell sprinkle in the zone during ATOs if nothing else than to keep their inexperienced coach on his toes. Edited December 3, 2019 by trueblue32 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
961819 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, 121Merrimac said: My take is that it is produced by SECN+. And, that network is part of the ESPN package, so you don't have to worry about not having SECN+ directly. (I believe that it's actually part of ESPN3 {cable subscription}, which is then also part of ESPN+ {stand alone subscription} ). So you should be able to watch the game if you have any of SECN+, ESPN3 or ESPN+. All I know is it was showing up on ESPN+ as an upcoming event so hopefully nothings changed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBCourtside Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Definitely raising my hand in saying we werent talking about playing zone all the time. Simply pointing out that if, for some reason, our usual aggressive man to man doesn't work, this team has crumbled multiple times against zone. I also think there is a 0% chance we do it, but it doesn't hurt to bring it up as our opponents weakness 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasketBull Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 This is embarrassingly bad color commentary for a power conference school. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Gabe Grant in, and now is -5 on the floor. He is a momentum killer. We need to limit his minutes as much as possible 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGBull Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Just now, Kevin said: Gabe Grant in, and now is -5 on the floor. He is a momentum killer. We need to limit his minutes as much as possible I was really hoping that Grant and Johnson would have learned from last year's seniors about how important unselfish play and defensive intensity is. It does not seem like either of those stuck with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Just now, SGBull said: I was really hoping that Grant and Johnson would have learned from last year's seniors about how important unselfish play and defensive intensity is. It does not seem like either of those stuck with them. Grant is awful on the defensive side, and hes really bad when hes chucking and missing. Have to get him out. Now, -8 with him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
961819 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Did Gabe just....did he..shoot..a layup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocCas86 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, BasketBull said: This is embarrassingly bad color commentary for a power conference school. You noticed too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasketBull Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 What is the deal with the benches? are they on the end lines in this arena? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, 961819 said: Did Gabe just....did he..shoot..a layup? He did, but then he chucked a three and missed again. GET HIM OFF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee4three Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 8 fouls already Gonna test our depth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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