MuchMany Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Running horrible to zero offense. Awful body language. Finally heard coach's voice from four rows up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clodney Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 What the hell is wrong with this team? Beat Harvard and DePaul in Chicago, lose at home to Army and Dartmouth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted December 14, 2019 Author Share Posted December 14, 2019 Remember when we cared about winning at home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigo230 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Soooo, this team is capable of beating some very solid clubs, or losing to anyone. I wasn’t sure how good or mediocre Army is? Then I checked and they lost to Binghamton by 15 and Merrimack by 9. So this is a pretty bad loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 If I were Whitesell I’d run a practice right after this game ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB85 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 How does Army score 85+ against UB when they could only muster a paltry 60 against Merrimack? There is something seriously wrong. It could be coaching. It could be lack of leadership. It could be selfishness with players more worried about offense than defense. It could be lack of intensity/maturity/leadership. Whatever it is they must figure it out because it will be a very long season if they don’t. They should be embarrassed by that performance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 54.7% shooting. 50% from 3 on 10/20 attempts. 38-32 rebounding edge. 28 assist. 28! And forcing 19 turnovers. Oh and their big man who was 48% from the line hit 7-9. All a recipe for an atrocious home loss. Edited December 14, 2019 by DooleyBull06 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubbulls84 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 minute ago, zigo230 said: Soooo, this team is capable of beating some very solid clubs, or losing to anyone. I wasn’t sure how good or mediocre Army is? Then I checked and they lost to Binghamton by 15 and Merrimack by 9. So this is a pretty bad loss. Pretty bad loss, your being very nice. It’s a horrendous loss, worse than Dartmouth. This team is just not good, no nice way to put it. Another bad game by Graves, very skilled player but too many pathetic games this year where he didn’t step up. Sorry, but he’s not an all conference player. Hope things change and we are a long way away, but winning 3 games in Cleveland is hard to do, and right not it’s pretty clear we won’t be able to do that unless things change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
121Merrimac Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Paul Peck said two Army players had career games (21 & 25 points, I think). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Just now, 121Merrimac said: Paul Peck said two Army players had career games (21 & 25 points, I think). Easy to do when we play no defense. Our interior defense was non existent. And that includes Mballa. And is more noticeable when he’s not on the court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGBull Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I have no confidence in this team. They could win any game or lose any game. Maybe when Brock and Fagan come back they will create some more competition on the team and cause others to work hard for minutes. I expect more leadership out of the seniors , especially Jordan and Johnson. Hopefully Brock can provide that when he comes back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted December 14, 2019 Author Share Posted December 14, 2019 Feeling like this is going to be a long season. Continuity is in jeopardy... Yes I’m overreacting after a single bad game but that’s the worst home loss I can think of since following the team (worse than the CMU drubbing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuchMany Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jeseph said: Feeling like this is going to be a long season. Continuity is in jeopardy... Yes I’m overreacting after a single bad game but that’s the worst home loss I can think of since following the team (worse than the CMU drubbing) I don't know if you're actually overreacting though. It's fair to heavily criticize the group right now. The highs can be high and the lows can be low, it isn't always a balanced ride. I'll criticize Whitesell and the staff after that one. There is zero energy coming from the staff. I sit directly behind the coaches and I literally heard Whitesell's voice one time. It doesn't help that we're down a man, but it feels a bit ragtag down there. Graves is bugging me. He plays with so little emotion. His game is becoming one dimensional with the straight downhill drives and his shot is so flat that when he's off from deep he's really off. Canisius and Bona will be tight games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDerekRx Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Such a weird team to figure out. I certainly don't think this is a bad team. They beat DePaul and have looked good against decent teams. But what a weird ugly loss. Like always I'm not doom and gloom. I'm just confused. At this point we might just have one of the most Jekyll and Hyde teams ever. Good luck to the sports bookies lol. All you can do is have no expectations heading into each game and hope they find consistency in the conference play... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Can someone send me Gabe Grant's statline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 hour ago, MuchMany said: Running horrible to zero offense. Awful body language. Finally heard coach's voice from four rows up... Does Whitesell care? did he make a single adjustment? I mean Hardnett on their best player wasn't it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubbulls84 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kevin said: Does Whitesell care? did he make a single adjustment? I mean Hardnett on their best player wasn't it Zero intensity also. Hurley and Oats brought 100% intensity from sideline. Reminds me of Reggie. Needs to call out these guys for lack of effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Kevin said: Can someone send me Gabe Grant's statline? 7 minutes 4 fouls lol. I swear I didn’t even see him on the court long enough to pick up 4 fouls. However...I think we got a glimpse of what it would be like without him contributing. Therefore, as bad as he has been a majority of the season, we need him to play. We got nothing from our bench today. Grant, like others, need to figure it all out on the floor. Not the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Ubbulls84 said: Zero intensity also. Hurley and Oats brought 100% intensity from sideline. Reminds me of Reggie. Needs to call out these guys for lack of effort. I think Whitesell is more of a teacher than a yeller. On the broadcast I saw him talking one on one to players. An example was when Johnson got the Tech for hanging on the rim. Whitesell immediately took him out sat him down and talked to him privately. Also Whitesell lost his blazer too. Not as demonstrative as Reggie would but still. He cares. He just has a different approach. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBCourtside Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, DooleyBull06 said: I think Whitesell is more of a teacher than a yeller. On the broadcast I saw him talking one on one to players. An example was when Johnson got the Tech for hanging on the rim. Whitesell immediately took him out sat him down and talked to him privately. Also Whitesell lost his blazer too. Not as demonstrative as Reggie would but still. He cares. He just has a different approach. He is 100% a teacher. Constantly stopping practice to get these guys to play within a team concept and do their job 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enrique14150 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Remember that Seinfeld episode where George lost his glasses? On one hand, he somehow spotted a dime on the floor from across the apartment...but then took a bite out of what he thought was an apple, but was actually an onion. Jerry says, "You're spotting dimes, eating onions, I don't know what to think!" That's what I think right now - I don't know what to think. This team CAN be good, but will they stay focused enough? I feel like that's the problem, the focus shuts off and they make mistakes. Their play was as sloppy as the weather today. And mistakes that aren't forced by the other team, just all on them. Defensively they got burned several times in the second half by 3's off pick plays. Well run by Army. Army also knew to go inside to Wilson when Mballa was off the court. UB was slow to collapse inside when someone got beat on the perimeter, slow a few times to get back in transition. It's like they know what they should do, and they've done these things in other games this season, but will they do this consistently? The Bulls shot poorly from outside, while Army blew the game open second half with a series of three's. "They're better than this" - they are, and they aren't. This team is not nearly as talented as the past 2 years, nor do they have that sense that when things do go badly, everything will turn out alright. I hate hearing from anyone how it's up to the coaches to get these guys motivated to play hard. Maybe that's just me as a coach myself talking, but with a team with some veteran leadership, and what should be some hungry young guys, it shouldn't be up to anyone else to do that for you. If playing D-1 basketball isn't motivation enough, get out of the way for someone else. The coaching has to go into guys like Segu, Williams, Gallion, Mballa, Hardnett - at this point, with Johnson, Grant, Jordan, and mayyybe Graves, what you see is what you're going to get. Jordan - it's his team, and the lack of focus out there doesn't look good. He will get ticked off at some point and turn it up, but it's shown to be a little too late. Graves - yeah he was quiet in the first half especially, it's a different dynamic this year where he's the target man rather than trying to push for minutes behind CJ. Mballa - the times he does get beat, I say to myself that he's learning and in a year he won't. He's starting to move well inside, hit his free throws today, I felt like Wilson got most of his points when Mballa was off the court. Did a great job a couple times first half of poking a pass away and going in for the dunk. Johnson - a nice game points-wise, but I don't think I"m the only one who assumes he shots are going to be bricks and I'm surprised when they actually go in. He had a lot of points...but also took a lot of shots. I will give him this - he's trying really hard. He's frustrated, but he's into it and clearly wants to get it right. That counts for something for me. Hardnett - once he puts some more muscle on, he'll be more effective inside. Williams - ended up with a decent stat line, and a couple more confident moves to the hoop. He still seems awkward half the time. Segu - shots weren't dropping The band was in good form, decent crowd for a crummy Saturday outside, no students left. Question - for the upcoming games, do we need to try to get some of us down in the end zone to liven things up, like a few of us did vs Southern Illinois last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivantheturrible Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 They dropped about 15 spots in Kenpom with this loss... my god Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDBullsfan89 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Ouch, glad I missed this one. This team has a lot of work to do. Seemed coming into the season that we'd have a deeper squad than last year, but it's really not looking that way. On a day like this where Segu is off, chances are about the only thing we're getting from our bench is fouls, turnovers, and missed shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clodney Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 This was the worst defensive showing by a UB team I’ve ever seen at Alumni Arena and I’ve been following the team adamantly since 2003. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubfan75 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 I’ve been following UB Basketball since the days of Clark Hall. I have rarely left a game early out of disgust. Today was the second time this season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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