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The rather unfortunate ABC incident, budget cuts, and footballs marsh into the sunset..

The darkest hours of UB, and theyve been struggling to rectify it ever since.  Who where the other Div. I programs to dump football because of some hippies?

University of Denver, University of Detroit, George Washington University, Marquette University, Pepperdine University , Texas A&M University-Corpus Christ all went down during the sixties.

Bradley University, University of California- Riverside, Drexel University, University of Illinois at Chicago, University of Maryland Eastern Shore, University of San Francisco, University of Vermont, and University of Wisconsin–Milwaukee, and Xavier went down during the 70's

At first glance it looks like UB was the only program to ever make it back to Division-1 from this era (I'm not going to dig into the 50's

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The rather unfortunate ABC incident, budget cuts, and footballs marsh into the sunset..

The darkest hours of UB, and theyve been struggling to rectify it ever since.  Who where the other Div. I programs to dump football because of some hippies?

University of Denver, University of Detroit, George Washington University, Marquette University, Pepperdine University , Texas A&M University-Corpus Christ all went down during the sixties.

Bradley University, University of California- Riverside, Drexel University, University of Illinois at Chicago, University of Maryland Eastern Shore, University of San Francisco, University of Vermont, and University of Wisconsin–Milwaukee went down during the 70's

Surprised you had that so quickly, well done.  Not exactly a Who's Who of College Football is it.

Here's a pretty extensive list of schools that have dropped and/or added football.
http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/football_records/DI/2009/2009Add-Disc.pdf

http://www.ubbullrun.com/2010/07/ub-101.html

The rather unfortunate ABC incident, budget cuts, and footballs marsh into the sunset..

The darkest hours of UB, and theyve been struggling to rectify it ever since.  Who where the other Div. I programs to dump football because of some hippies?

University of Denver, University of Detroit, George Washington University, Marquette University, Pepperdine University , Texas A&M University-Corpus Christ all went down during the sixties.

Bradley University, University of California- Riverside, Drexel University, University of Illinois at Chicago, University of Maryland Eastern Shore, University of San Francisco, University of Vermont, and University of Wisconsin–Milwaukee went down during the 70's

Surprised you had that so quickly, well done.  Not exactly a Who's Who of College Football is it.

One thing that doing this series has helped me to do it to learn where such information shaqs around. Wiki (where I found this) is great but unless you know the exact phrasing to look for you could end up in circles. For this I searched "defunct College Football Programs" in wiki. SI's vualt is pretty nice but not for raw information...

Some of these programs may be names had they stuck it out (like UB).

http://www.ubbullrun.com/2010/07/ub-101.html

The rather unfortunate ABC incident, budget cuts, and footballs marsh into the sunset..

The darkest hours of UB, and theyve been struggling to rectify it ever since.  Who where the other Div. I programs to dump football because of some hippies?

University of Denver, University of Detroit, George Washington University, Marquette University, Pepperdine University , Texas A&M University-Corpus Christ all went down during the sixties.

Bradley University, University of California- Riverside, Drexel University, University of Illinois at Chicago, University of Maryland Eastern Shore, University of San Francisco, University of Vermont, and University of Wisconsin–Milwaukee went down during the 70's

Surprised you had that so quickly, well done.  Not exactly a Who's Who of College Football is it.

One thing that doing this series has helped me to do it to learn where such information shaqs around. Wiki (where I found this) is great but unless you know the exact phrasing to look for you could end up in circles. For this I searched "defunct College Football Programs" in wiki. SI's vualt is pretty nice but not for raw information...

Some of these programs may be names had they stuck it out (like UB).

I would suppose that wiki gave you the reasons why the programs where ended too, seeing that you had the list ready to go right away.

I would like to say, before anybody starts up with the "it was different time back then" blah blah blah, defending of action as chivalrous, from a purely standpoint of a college football fan, and more importantly as a UB fan, this "shutdown" of the program was the death knell of any momentum UB might of had and definitely for any traditions that had been nurtured through the years.  I would hope that people would be enlightened, or should I say "hippie" enough to understand that.

Here's a pretty extensive list of schools that have dropped and/or added football.
http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/football_records/DI/2009/2009Add-Disc.pdf

Not all of the information on that list is correct.  It has UB restoring football in 1978.  Football came back in 1977 with a four game schedule (0-3-1).  Unless there is rule change the 7-7 tie in the first game against Iron Fist's RIT will be last tie ever played by UB.

http://www.ubbullrun.com/2010/07/ub-101.html

The rather unfortunate ABC incident, budget cuts, and footballs marsh into the sunset..

The darkest hours of UB, and theyve been struggling to rectify it ever since.  Who where the other Div. I programs to dump football because of some hippies?

University of Denver, University of Detroit, George Washington University, Marquette University, Pepperdine University , Texas A&M University-Corpus Christ all went down during the sixties.

Bradley University, University of California- Riverside, Drexel University, University of Illinois at Chicago, University of Maryland Eastern Shore, University of San Francisco, University of Vermont, and University of Wisconsin–Milwaukee went down during the 70's

Surprised you had that so quickly, well done.  Not exactly a Who's Who of College Football is it.

One thing that doing this series has helped me to do it to learn where such information shaqs around. Wiki (where I found this) is great but unless you know the exact phrasing to look for you could end up in circles. For this I searched "defunct College Football Programs" in wiki. SI's vualt is pretty nice but not for raw information...

Some of these programs may be names had they stuck it out (like UB).

I would suppose that wiki gave you the reasons why the programs where ended too, seeing that you had the list ready to go right away.

I would like to say, before anybody starts up with the "it was different time back then" blah blah blah, defending of action as chivalrous, from a purely standpoint of a college football fan, and more importantly as a UB fan, this "shutdown" of the program was the death knell of any momentum UB might of had and definitely for any traditions that had been nurtured through the years.  I would hope that people would be enlightened, or should I say "hippie" enough to understand that.

No, I don't know why each and every program droped I just got to looking because the SI article about Buffalo dropping it's program mentioned that a lot of other schools were in teh same boat.

Their is blame here to go around, about the only party who cant be blamed are the players and coaches...

1) Elitist students and teachers: Because they saw the sports as low brow their university culture is fine without it. They have little trouble with spending money on interpretive dance programs (because they see value in it) but they do think that a sports program does not add to campus like (again because*they* don't like it)

2) War Protesters: I don't blame them for the half time debacle as it was, all things considered, pretty tame a small. But the manufactured outrage over the halftime show gave group one even more ammo to pressure group (3)

3) Administration: I think they let football die to placate groups 1 and 2. Pissed about rising tuition? look we got rid of football!

4) Alumni: 70,000 in donations 1969 - 1,500 in 1970! if they had even come close to matching the program may have held on long enough for groups 1 and 2 to find a new whipping boy. I did come across some accusations of mismanagement but *nothing* backed by facts and as I was not there I'll just assume the Alumni went away because of the bad press.

Here's a pretty extensive list of schools that have dropped and/or added football.
http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/football_records/DI/2009/2009Add-Disc.pdf

Not all of the information on that list is correct.  It has UB restoring football in 1978.  Football came back in 1977 with a four game schedule (0-3-1).  Unless there is rule change the 7-7 tie in the first game against Iron Fist's RIT will be last tie ever played by UB.

Yea, it's wrong, but at least we're on the list.  Look at any of the Defunct hockey program lists and you won't find UB.  Makes you think we're either still playing hockey or never did.

http://www.ubbullrun.com/2010/07/ub-101.html

The rather unfortunate ABC incident, budget cuts, and footballs marsh into the sunset..

The darkest hours of UB, and theyve been struggling to rectify it ever since.  Who where the other Div. I programs to dump football because of some hippies?

University of Denver, University of Detroit, George Washington University, Marquette University, Pepperdine University , Texas A&M University-Corpus Christ all went down during the sixties.

Bradley University, University of California- Riverside, Drexel University, University of Illinois at Chicago, University of Maryland Eastern Shore, University of San Francisco, University of Vermont, and University of Wisconsin–Milwaukee went down during the 70's

Surprised you had that so quickly, well done.  Not exactly a Who's Who of College Football is it.

One thing that doing this series has helped me to do it to learn where such information shaqs around. Wiki (where I found this) is great but unless you know the exact phrasing to look for you could end up in circles. For this I searched "defunct College Football Programs" in wiki. SI's vualt is pretty nice but not for raw information...

Some of these programs may be names had they stuck it out (like UB).

I would suppose that wiki gave you the reasons why the programs where ended too, seeing that you had the list ready to go right away.

I would like to say, before anybody starts up with the "it was different time back then" blah blah blah, defending of action as chivalrous, from a purely standpoint of a college football fan, and more importantly as a UB fan, this "shutdown" of the program was the death knell of any momentum UB might of had and definitely for any traditions that had been nurtured through the years.  I would hope that people would be enlightened, or should I say "hippie" enough to understand that.

No, I don't know why each and every program droped I just got to looking because the SI article about Buffalo dropping it's program mentioned that a lot of other schools were in teh same boat.

Their is blame here to go around, about the only party who cant be blamed are the players and coaches...

1) Elitist students and teachers: Because they saw the sports as low brow their university culture is fine without it. They have little trouble with spending money on interpretive dance programs (because they see value in it) but they do think that a sports program does not add to campus like (again because*they* don't like it)

2) War Protesters: I don't blame them for the half time debacle as it was, all things considered, pretty tame a small. But the manufactured outrage over the halftime show gave group one even more ammo to pressure group (3)

3) Administration: I think they let football die to placate groups 1 and 2. Pissed about rising tuition? look we got rid of football!

4) Alumni: 70,000 in donations 1969 - 1,500 in 1970! if they had even come close to matching the program may have held on long enough for groups 1 and 2 to find a new whipping boy. I did come across some accusations of mismanagement but *nothing* backed by facts and as I was not there I'll just assume the Alumni went away because of the bad press.

Tuition had nothing to do with the dropping of football.  Football (and all other sports at UB) was fully funded through student fees.  Tuition funds were not allowed to be used for athletics in those days.  In the  early 1970s the amount of funding that was available for athletics was up to a vote of the students every year.  With the return of football in 1977 an amendment was put into to play within the Student Association.  It allowed for a five year funding plan.  This way athletics did not have to begging every year for money from the SA.  The initial allocation was about $250,000.00 a year for the entire athletic department.  Football was run a budget of $25,000 per year for the first few seasons, which resulted in coaches reaching into their own pocket to cover the cost of travel meals for the team.

I still can't figure out for the life of me what any of this has to do with hippies. Was the Grateful Dead playing at the pregame festivities?

It sucks now knowing that what happened that year might have been one of the main reasons why we've struggled to keep up with the other big time athletic schools. However, this wasn't just a bunch of hippies who decided their student fee money would be put to better use buying another dime bag of weed.

I still can't figure out for the life of me what any of this has to do with hippies. Was the Grateful Dead playing at the pregame festivities?

Does this help?

No, I don't know why each and every program droped I just got to looking because the SI article about Buffalo dropping it's program mentioned that a lot of other schools were in teh same boat.

Their is blame here to go around, about the only party who cant be blamed are the players and coaches...

1) Elitist students and teachers: Because they saw the sports as low brow their university culture is fine without it. They have little trouble with spending money on interpretive dance programs (because they see value in it) but they do think that a sports program does not add to campus like (again because*they* don't like it)

2) War Protesters: I don't blame them for the half time debacle as it was, all things considered, pretty tame a small. But the manufactured outrage over the halftime show gave group one even more ammo to pressure group (3)

3) Administration: I think they let football die to placate groups 1 and 2. Pissed about rising tuition? look we got rid of football!

4) Alumni: 70,000 in donations 1969 - 1,500 in 1970! if they had even come close to matching the program may have held on long enough for groups 1 and 2 to find a new whipping boy. I did come across some accusations of mismanagement but *nothing* backed by facts and as I was not there I'll just assume the Alumni went away because of the bad press.

I shake my head at this bit of history everytime.

1. It is amazing to me, that the attitude toward athletics was as it was, considering Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, Princeton and other Ivy League schools, all Highly Academic and Highly elitist, that football at those schools figured in so highly in the history of college football.

2.  War Protesters.  It may have been comparably small, but anything to get together and smoke some weed, drop some acid, and macrame' some shorts I guess.

3.The administration was really in a tight spot.  They were probably on damage control every hour of the day back then.

4.  I can see where the alumni where coming from.  You have to figure that alot of the alumni, if not most had lived through the great depression and all came together as a whole during WWII, they probably had a hard time understanding how these kids were acting, I imagine it was pretty foreign to them as well as extremely dissapointing.

I shake my head at this bit of history everytime.

1. It is amazing to me, that the attitude toward athletics was as it was, considering Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, Princeton and other Ivy League schools, all Highly Academic and Highly elitist, that football at those schools figured in so highly in the history of college football.

2.  War Protesters.  It may have been comparably small, but anything to get together and smoke some weed, drop some acid, and macrame' some shorts I guess.

3.The administration was really in a tight spot.  They were probably on damage control every hour of the day back then.

4.  I can see where the alumni where coming from.  You have to figure that alot of the alumni, if not most had lived through the great depression and all came together as a whole during WWII, they probably had a hard time understanding how these kids were acting, I imagine it was pretty foreign to them as well as extremely dissapointing.

If you want to read a great book at UB at the time try Dissent and Disruption: A University under Siege by Richard Sigglekow.  He was in the UB administration in the 1960s and 1970s.



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If you want to read a great book at UB at the time try Dissent and Disruption: A University under Siege by Richard Sigglekow.  He was in the UB administration in the 1960s and 1970s.



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Thanks, Im always looking for books about Buffalo's history to read. 

The Bill Dando Era

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