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You seem to have missed my points on UB's choices.

He didn't miss your point, It just didn't fit in with his opinion.  BSF is not coming from the land of facts, it's all just his opinion.

Here is a fact for the two of you UB losing at football presently where are all your great ideas if your questioning my opinions? Is losing fact enough for the two of you with the present UB football program. Again this isn't about me and my opinion never was and never will be anyone thinking that in my opinion have the wrong impression about me individually as a Buffalo Bulls fan and poster. See you two will find out fast I am not going away like others UB fans before that have in the past. I do question what UB is doing in athletics after watching two decades with the exception of maybe two years of great football and two years of so so football.

Anyway I remember on this board an older UB fan several years ago questioned a field house and wonder it might be smarter to go aka the Big Sky Conference route not litterally but stadium wise with a 18,000 seat UB stadium with a dome on top like Idaho State has and he was laugh off this board not by you two individuals but by many UB fans here which I felt was very unfortunate because I think the old man or woman had a very good point. He was someone that attended UB football games and said it was cold attending games in november. I hope he or she is still healthy and going to games it was maybe three or four years ago. But the point was valid and all everyone talked about was no way UB would be kicked out of the MAC and no chance for the Big East. Well the way things are going the MAC maybe down graded overtime anyway like the Ivy League because the tv money is getting bigger and bigger and the MAC is getting just a small portion of that. So just maybe the old UB fan knew what he or she was talking about. A structure of 18,000, get rid of the bleachers, and fill in the sides with concrete and then a baggy type dome like the Metrodome in Minneapolis might be what is best for UB football/basketball because what we have now isn't working and attendance is realistically for most UB games in the 18,000 range. Join a top FCS football conference or try the Ivy League with the all new weather UB dome from the existing UB Stadium which at 18,000 would only be smaller then the Carrier Dome in the northeast. Again his or her idea was a good one and one I have thought about myself the past two years after seeing UB really struggling in the MAC in football on a consistantly competing level and with UB struggles for the fieldhouse. If the MAC is down graded speaking for me personally I would rather see UB in the Ivy League over a MAC FCS conference because in my opinion it would be a better fit for UB in my opinion. Weather the Ivy League would let UB in I have no idea but UB could try. See with me it isn't all about the MAC or FBS it is what is right direction for UB football so were not a yearly laughing stock in football. What ever UB fans want to say about me is fine but atleast I have good or bad ideas. But the idea of we have no ideas it is just this way accept losing most years at UB in football because we always do it that way to me I question that thought process from some UB fans/alums. Because UB football has been doing that going around in circles for years just different set of coaches and different year.

I ask straight out to you and RecoveringHillbilly what is problem then with UB football with years of of not winning? In my opinion it is too easy to say it is all Jim Hofher or all this person or that person from the past at UB or another great excuse no one wants to come to Buffalo to play football some UB fans opinion but they come to Athens, Ohio that is a fact as you guys are so big on posting about with not one idea or questioning the yearly losing in football for almost two decades but let's go after UB posters on this site that questions what is going on. See you two guys seem to want it both ways to explain away the losing with UB football in my opinion for almost two decades. If UB has all this money taking the quotes from RecoveringHillbilly why is it a problem for UB to buyout Jeff Quinn after this season if UB has another losing football season? My silly opinion UB runs there program like a Ivy League program not a FBS MAC program. RecoveringHillbilly I understand you will post about UB spending million of dollars more I get that. But academically UB is a Ivy League football school not a top tier MAC school with easier in my opinion to get players in academically and yes that does hurt recruiting that I understand. And if that is the case why are we in the MAC then and not looking for the Ivy League that might be better suited for UB football, SUNY/State etc then the MAC in my opinion. See I am just asking the questions after seeing what UB is doing since 1999 isn't really working consistantly. Yes as a UB fan I would keep my season tickets for Ivy League football like I had tickets for FCS I-AA independent football because I am a Buffalonian.

Why should all UB fans continue to make excuses for the university as a MAC FBS program just sitting and letting Jeff Quinn run the football program into the ground? If it isn't facilities, SUNY/State and money what is the problem if it isn't the present coach Jeff Quinn? Players again if it is the players that falls back to coaching Jeff Quinn recruited most these players now but the senior class? Yet most UB fans are just well if we win 4 wins that is progress? Is that progress a MAC champion five years ago to the bottom of the conference year after year is that progress really 4 wins or going 8-2 in the Ivy League and being Ivy League Champions? As a proud Buffalonian I take Ivy League Champions for UB in my opinion. But again I look at things a little different. I am not all caught up as a Buffalo sports fan with we have to be major league like NFL or NHL or FBS. I am just as happy with IL, NLL, MAC or Ivy League for Buffalo teams. Because at the end of the day the object is basically the same weather it is NFL or CFL, AL or IL, MAC or Ivy you want to win and at the end the winning team gets a silver trophy, bowl or cup. I realized that as a Buffalo fan when Buffalo was an AFL Arena Football League city when in 1998 there was a chance the Buffalo Bills might leave. I didn't cheer or root any differently with the Buffalo Destroyers then I would for the Buffalo Bills or Buffalo Bulls. I didn't say oh I shouldn't cheer or root on the Buffalo Destroyers because there not the Buffalo Bills. Same deal with UB I didn't cheer differently or make excuses because UB was I-AA the deal was the same to win. See UB in the MAC in football isn't winning and I realize you can't win every year. But with UB losing has been to consistant with the football program with not enough being done to fix the situation. So maybe Ivy League is best for UB in my opinion.

I have read on these boards for years before joining and the one thing I have notice is that the UB fans that question what is going on with UB athletics failing so badly in football watch out because then it becomes about the person posting instead of hey that person might be right UB as great as a university as it is in almost everything isn't so great in athletics and maybe just maybe we as UB fans need to stop making the losing about UB fans that question what heck is going on and really look at the university itself. See it easy to say this team plays in a high school gym or that team has all of this money, tv and facilites wise but when it is about UB we want to pretend everything is great because were UB. Having pride in UB is great but not questioning what is going on at UB to be failing this badly at football is silly in my opinion. I also question a UB fan that is ok with just giving other SUNY schools athletic facilites without atleast questioning if that is smart money spent by the state for a place like SUNY Albany that has few sports fans that care in the local Albany area about anything but Saratoga Race Track in my opinion. I think it is valid as a UB fan to question that while SUNY/State say no to the UB field house and the state hasn't said anything about the Buffalo Bills lease yet the state has money for SUNY Albany football stadium as a Buffalonian and as a UB fan I shouldn't question that on a UB football message board? Why not complete for the money with Albany like the state did for UB2020 after SUNY Albany and other SUNY schools complained in my opinion? Again just a thought other then no SUNY/State always do things this way no UB fan should question that like what RecoveringHillbilly was getting at. Yes I question that type of mind set at UB and again it is just my opinion silly me.

In my opinion many not all but many are excuses makers and as a Buffalo Bulls fan that didn't go to UB, I am telling you Buffalo in general aren't as forgiving with the losing year after year as I am. UB needs someone in that athletic department that knows what they are doing if funding and facilites are good enough to win championships consistantly in the MAC like a Ohio? If the revenue isn't there then UB also really has to look at that also? But pretending and throwing it back at a UB poster that questions what is going on at UB after decades of losing other then really two years in football one year in FCS under Craig Cirbus and one year FBS under Turner Gil winning, something is really wrong with that winning precentage if everything is fine and it is only in BSF mind in my opinion. Let's Go Buffalo

I would not question Brooklyn's POV simply bc he's from Brooklyn, if I were you. Though it's about as well thought out as the rest of your opinions.

Buffalo to the Ivy League.   Shows he has no idea what is talking about and discredits the entire post.

i don't think this forum should be used for name calling. I don't think all people from NY should be lumped together in a pot. However, if it wasn't for my experience at UB i wouldn't give a hoot about the greater Buffalo area. However, after living there for years I think we all do care about the region.

I don't know much about the Albany stadium deal but given that they aren't D1 I'm not sure what a new stadium will improve the experience for the students nor help bring more people to the Albany area. I know about a dozen friends who recently graduated and nobody cares about UA football.

I personally don't think state officials should get involved with a new lease for the Bills. The team currently doesn't sell out all games and the tickets are super cheap. If they get a new stadium they'll never be able to fill the suites/higher end tickets without the support of Canada and thus they would need to move the stadium to Buffalo and out of the south towns. If that would be the case just let the team move (free market) as the money to build an owner a new stadium and then fill it with folks from Canada can be used for other/better/more important things.

Universities are about marketing and I think UB should market themselves slightly differently. In the Buffalo area it needs to speak so it becomes the major University in the region. This would be done by focusing on Starks, MAC Championship, Tangerine Bowl team and how are different then the others. In NY St.John's gets far more spotlight then Hofsta, Wagner, LIU, St. Joes, ect. Secondly, downstate it needs to position itself at THE NY STATE SCHOOL. I think that needs to be done by focusing on the new dorms, large enrollment, proximity to Canada, ease to travel to, and the weather isn't all that bad.

Bringing the hoops team down to NY would be huge as it would rally the alumni base down here and connect with folks. Why we travel to play Youngstown every year is beyond me.

Buffalo to the Ivy League.   Shows he has no idea what is talking about and discredits the entire post.

Again where did I say UB should go to the IVY League. I only brought that opinion up because at one time UB wasn't expected to ever go beyond IVY League type level of play in football. It is only one idea of many I have posted and again I don't have all the answers never said I did. By your reaction I am guessing you want UB to stay in the MAC or greater which is great I down with that. My point was what is happening now with football isn't working and inless something is done in my opinion were going to see more of the same alot of losing with a season of winning every ten years. Also I respect your opinion about me because it is your opinion.

I never said I hope UB goes to the IVY League but I am opening to listening to Buffalo fans that think that may be a solution to the football teams problems of losing season on almost a yearly basis. Also I did say if MAC is down graded to MAC FCS yes I think IVY League would be better for Buffalo and I will explain why I feel that way. Because the Buffalo sports market doesn't identify with the directional schools in the MAC in Ohio and Michigan now much as a FBS program in my opinion. If and it is only a if MAC ever got downgraded or decided to downgrade football which is out there on boards I have read over the years to FCS level of play. I think personally I would choice IVY League over the MAC FCS because IVY League has New York City, Boston. Philadelphia etc markets that Buffalo as a major league city can identify with more over Athens, Akron, Toledo, etc. that was my thought process and only my opinion. You don't like the idea I respect that point of view atleast you have a point of view. Let's Go Buffalo

I would not question Brooklyn's POV simply bc he's from Brooklyn, if I were you. Though it's about as well thought out as the rest of your opinions.

I question Brooklynbull because he ask always most UB fans with how much money all the time they give over the years like it is any of his business what someone gives. I don't know if it is a New York thing in your face making fun of Buffalo thing or what but I didn't like it and I never have from him and tried to ignore but when he was so in your face I called him on it. Buffalo the community gets alot of the blame on these boards over the years and never UB and that is why I joined this boards finally because those days are over of UB fans not being called out to be more balanced and fair with the Buffalo community also looking at everything the great UB/SUNY/State does with UB athletics when going after Buffalo the community when it comes to support it goes both ways in my opinion.

Look at UB, SUNY and the state also in my opinion. Is my giving nice yes but it is a drop in the bucket compared to what SUNY/State/UB could do if they so choose to that is all I am saying and that isn't complaining either Brooklynbull that is telling it like it is in my opinon. It is too easy to blame Buffalo the community or it is the UB alums for not giving enough and caring. If the Buffalo community like myself and many didn't care we wouldn't be here. Same deal with the UB alums. Many on here in my opinion protect SUNY like this golden thing all knowing does no wrong thing along with UB that should never be questioned in my opinion that all I am saying when it comes to support of UB athletics.

Brooklynbull I am just guessing grew up in Brooklyn with New York City and everything that is about. All I saying is in Buffalo the few things Buffalo does well is sports and when SUNY Albany is getting money for a new football stadium while the UB football and the Buffalo Bills lease twist in the wind you better believe I am going to question that and yes I do think it comes down to are you a Buffalo/UB sports person in support no wavering or are you a SUNY/Albany, Stony Brook/Binghamton sports person that is where I am coming from and alway will be in my opinion. Brooklynbull and I will always have a divide he is a New Yorker and I am a Buffalonian were very different in my opinion. To New Yorker in my opinion they have so many sports I think like 9 professionally in the New York Metro area. In Buffalo UB sports wise basically is our New York Knicks as a poor example but I think or atleast hope UB fans get the general idea. Saturday afternoons are about UB football and the Buffalo community in my opinion are tired of the losing almost yearly and the excuses from UB in general in my opinion do something about it. I would guess outside of the UB community/this UB board Jeff Quinn has less then 20% support approval rating from the Buffalo community that might be kind in my opinion. Most of Buffalo think he should have been fired after last seasons results in my opinion. I always respect Brooklynbull's point of view and don't have anything personal against him as a poster or any UB poster but when he challenges a Buffalo Bulls fandom with insulting questions like do you give like I am not doing enough that is when I will challenge that New York sports type in your face style point of view. Let's Go Buffalo

Maybe Brooklyn did grow up in NYC and all that goes on there, but he's done a heck of a lot more to support UB than whine on a message board in his second language and buy some tickets every year.

i don't think this forum should be used for name calling. I don't think all people from NY should be lumped together in a pot. However, if it wasn't for my experience at UB i wouldn't give a hoot about the greater Buffalo area. However, after living there for years I think we all do care about the region.

I don't know much about the Albany stadium deal but given that they aren't D1 I'm not sure what a new stadium will improve the experience for the students nor help bring more people to the Albany area. I know about a dozen friends who recently graduated and nobody cares about UA football.

I personally don't think state officials should get involved with a new lease for the Bills. The team currently doesn't sell out all games and the tickets are super cheap. If they get a new stadium they'll never be able to fill the suites/higher end tickets without the support of Canada and thus they would need to move the stadium to Buffalo and out of the south towns. If that would be the case just let the team move (free market) as the money to build an owner a new stadium and then fill it with folks from Canada can be used for other/better/more important things.

Universities are about marketing and I think UB should market themselves slightly differently. In the Buffalo area it needs to speak so it becomes the major University in the region. This would be done by focusing on Starks, MAC Championship, Tangerine Bowl team and how are different then the others. In NY St.John's gets far more spotlight then Hofsta, Wagner, LIU, St. Joes, ect. Secondly, downstate it needs to position itself at THE NY STATE SCHOOL. I think that needs to be done by focusing on the new dorms, large enrollment, proximity to Canada, ease to travel to, and the weather isn't all that bad.

Bringing the hoops team down to NY would be huge as it would rally the alumni base down here and connect with folks. Why we travel to play Youngstown every year is beyond me.

First nobody is name calling Brooklynbull with his in your face always asking UB fans did they give all the time is what I called him out because whatever an individual gives is great but at the end of the day it really is a drop in the bucket what I give to UB compared to what UB/SUNY/State could do if they so choose to do. Just my opinion but anyone thinking Buffalo Super Fan or Jim or Mary from Depew and Lancaster are going to get UB there by all there private donations and buying merchandise, tickets etc only are very naive in my opinion. UB/SUNY/State needs to do alot more then they been doing for a UB FBS football program in my opinion. Giving to Division 3 and Division FCS school $35 million I have shown evidence I think that is a waste of money with SUNY Albany and again it is only my opinion. I do question a UB fans mind if they think giving to SUNY Albany football stadium is a good thing for UB athletics in my opinion but I respect there right to there opinion but I do question there loyalty to UB athletics.

Now your thought on the Buffalo Bills. I have always said as a Buffalo Bills fan I am in the minority in Buffalo meaning I would survive if the Buffalo Bills left and Buffalo got CFL football or Arena Football as a example. I look at sports as yes an emotion bond for the community but to me there like KFC, Burger King, McDonald's and the old Red Barn just another business. If the Buffalo Bills private business goes the way of the Red Barn it would be sad and I would feel lose because NFL is likely gone for good for Buffalo unlike a New York City yes they lost teams like the New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers but they got the New York Mets back so that was also what I was getting at that a Brooklynbull who is from Brooklyn/New York City doesn't have the same type of sports/economic business loss prospective of things. Buffalo Bills replacement at best is CFL if Buffalo is luckey if the CFL will have Buffalo who knows and at worse Arena Football like the Buffalo Destroyers what I was getting at with the Brooklyn comment also is he doesn't get it in my opinion and neither do you in a way by no fault of your own because you both didn't grow up in Buffalo and yes in my opinion it makes a difference.

I can distance economics and heart emotion for the Buffalo teams which is very hard for almost all Buffalonians to do. I think that is why some UB fans don't like me as a poster which is fine I am not everyones cup of tea including some Buffalo sports fans. I question and I can distance myself to take a good hard look which is very hard to do with Buffalo teams being a Buffalo fan which I am. I admit sometimes my post suck to posters I get it. I don't like to ask hard questions but I do and it is never personal with anyone or at any thing or any group I just ask questions. I think some take it as personal that is where I think said person is wrong it is never personal with me I just call someone out if I don't agree with a counter post with my opinion hopefully with some knowledge/facts to the best of my ability. But it is alway sports and sports economic not so much UB the school or SUNY/State because I don't care really overall because I never went to UB and if I think Canisius sucks the school for down grading basketball as a Canisius alum today what would one expect from Buffalo Super Fan about the UB football/basketball teams, Buffalo Sabres etc but I realize what is good for UB the school is good for Buffalo that I realize. But I am not oh SUNY/State you don't understand Buffalo Super Fan, that is right I don't want to understand just win football and basketball games or get out of the big time sports business take your pick but I don't care for excuses at UB. I treat the Buffalo Bulls the same as all the other Buffalo sports team nothing more or nothing less with my opinion there is no favorite golden sports team with special oh don't question or post that as a Buffalo fan. I gave myself the name Buffalo Super Fan from a column in the Buffalo News in the local tv section where a writer in 1998 wrote in a column only the Buffalo Super Fan would watch the Buffalo Bisons in the Triple A World Series on ESPN2 TV in Las Vegas live at 11 PM at night. Yes as a Buffalo Bisons IL fan I was watching us lose to the New Orleans Zephyrs PCL with Lance Berkman. So I liked that Buffalo Super Fan because I support everything Buffalo sports wise. I had season tickets for all three Buffalo football teams at onetime Buffalo Bills, Buffalo Bulls and Buffalo Destroyers. So you see I will get over sports loss of a team like I did with the Buffalo Braves so I see both sides of the debate, but my mind is completely closed when it comes to SUNY Albany until Albany the community supports local sports teams better then they do that is problem I have and I am shocked Recoveringhibilly post it is a moot point. That deal to me is loaded with controversy of does the Albany region deserve a $35 million dollar stadium with the lack of fan support that one could point to other then the old Eastern League Albany Senators baseball team in the 1950's I believe that is the best I could do for Albany outside the Saratoga Race Track support. If I did some digging I can show more support in my numbers of Buffalo being a better sports economic investment if the state is going to invest in anything over Albany sports wise in my opinion?

I would be good on tabloid style Buffalo sports blogs in my opinion and would proable have a following. I know I have been asked a number of times to do Buffalo sports blogs over the years because I call out Buffalo sports teams on things like buzz words like developing. I go after the New York Mets all the time on Buffalo Bisons boards because the Buffalo Bisons suck right now for four years in a row about the word developing which in my opinion is just an excuse for individual players or the team as a whole to suck and not being good enough to begin with giving the players an easy out for there losing. The New York Mets stop being the Buffalo Bisons problem September the 4th and I am throwing a Buffalo Bisons party for finally seeing the light with the New York Mets and kicking them out of Buffalo with the PDC Player Development Contract. But with that said what is wiser money for the state Buffalo Bills or SUNY Albany football stadium. The truth in my opinion I agree to part of what you said that states shouldn't be in the sports business because one it is private business and two it is bad money over all it has been proven by those way smarter then me that it doesn't lead to more spin off developement for a city other then a bar or two etc.

Now here is the problem if the state says no the Buffalo Bills most likely the Buffalo Bills leave Buffalo. If the Buffalo Bills leave that hurts some Buffalo area businesses, it hurts moral and imagine in Buffalo bigtime and then what do you do with the then white elephant potentially Ralph Wilson Stadium for Erie County. Forget UB that is fantasy with the way UB/SUNY/State sees athletics in my opinion plus UB isn't taking on a stadium like that with issues now that needs repairs and would need help also from concerts to make it work with Football/Concerts, UB isn't going to get into that business in my opinion because there is just too much money on UB end plus it is on the other side of town from where the UB campus is in my opinion. So either way it is a state/county problem in my opinion. The best option in my opinion if the Buffalo Bills leave Buffalo would be to hope a private business person takes over RWS Stadium with a CFL team/concerts in it. Even that the stadium would need work like removing some front row seats to add as 20 yard endzone like the CFL has I believe in my opinion.

Also Buffalo risk losing more population if the Buffalo Bills leave because many will see it is just another reason to leave Buffalo which isn't good for Buffalo as a whole because Buffalo loses a quality of life thing to do. Also some of the canadian money is gone for good that was spent in Erie County with the Buffalo Bills so it has an effect but not as large as some Buffalo Bills fan make it out to be economically. But also the question is with Buffalo/WNY why shouldn't Buffalo get the money when the state funded to some extent the New York Yankees, New York Mets and Brooklyn Nets new stadium/arena's plus add SUNY Albany stadium and then one wonders in WNY what is going on and questions that from the states position of silence with Buffalo Bills and UB athletics in my opinion. I am just asking the questions that is all and some don't have a problem with SUNY Albany football stadium atleast the Buffalo community knows where they stand in my opinion. I will ask are you a Buffalo Bulls fan or a SUNY Albany fan because I wonder if one backs SUNY Albany stadium after the evidence I showed in posts of lack of support? You want to question Buffalo Bills or Buffalo Bulls support that is fine and your opinion but what about Albany sports support or lack there off support in my opinion? Or the state chasing after the New Jersey Nets to move back to New York/Brooklyn yet is silent on the Buffalo Bills who have been in this state for over 50 years plus? So the no money excuse is very hollow in my opinion if that is one persons position when it comes to the state of New York and sports business. Let's Go Buffalo

Maybe Brooklyn did grow up in NYC and all that goes on there, but he's done a heck of a lot more to support UB than whine on a message board in his second language and buy some tickets every year.

So you would rather I not post anymore, not care, not give, not buy merchandise and not go to UB football and basketball games so you can sit in the UB Ivy Happy Happy Joy Joy Tower some Buffalo sports fan is questioning support from UB/SUNY/State to the point it hinders winning consistantly in the MAC FBS in football, but no UB/SUNY/State they are wonderful in everything no matter what let's smile, sing and dance for not winning consistantlyin MAC FBS Football? It is Buffalo Super Fan, the Buffalo Community and just dumb luck UB doesn't win on almost a yearly basis in football? UB has a tough enough time getting fans as it is now but you want me to go away after supporting UB for almost two decades at a school that is in my community but I never went too? Wow that is big time athletics blame the UB fan that questions things, if some UB fans think like that, see this is what I have been saying all along about this board and some UB fans on this board they refuse to see this program has alot of problems including you and Brooklynbull if you two are so sensative when someone comes back at the two of you and questions UB/SUNY/State with athletics and the almost yearly losing in football. I think Brooklynbull is a New Yorker and insulting his comment like who is he, he doesn't live in Buffalo to really understand what is going on with UB athletics and the Buffalo community all he says is the same tired did you give in posts it is old and in my opinion miss the big picture completely because at the end of the day he lives in Brooklyn not Buffalo and yes it matters he has some nerve calling out a Buffalonians with questioning there support like who is he?

And I answered him even though I think his post are insulting with his Brooklyn/New York point of view out of line questioning the Buffalo community like it is our fault anyway even though it is none of his business really, I answered yes I did which isn't good enough for you which fine and I will leave your post to stand on it's own merit. A New Yorker in most general cases doesn't question SUNY/State college sports because they have alot of stuff so why question just blame Buffalo it is easy cheap comeback New York City way to do things in my opinion and I am tired of that absolute garage anymore as a Buffalonian. I admit I do have a problem with it because I seen it for 40 plus years the only difference now as I am older is I call the New Yorker on it no more will I sit back and not let that person have it with my opinion in a post back as a Buffalonian when there out of line or have an agenda with there I got everything quality of life wise New York City attitude tough luck Buffalo which I am tired of it and no I am not leaving Buffalo because that is another stupid comeback just leave Buffalo then from the New Yorker. Buffalo is my home and I have pride in Buffalo to take junk from a New Yorker or someone from Boston or Philadelphia. My whole house is full of UB stuff get it. I have 24 pairs of UB Bulls socks to wear UB socks everyday is that support enough for you two. I have Buffalo Bulls Bull on my feet daily Brooklynbull is out of line questioning anyone in the Buffalo community for UB own doings on the athletic field and in general overall in athletics at UB. In my opinion UB fans/alums should start looking at UB/SUNY/State/Jeff Quinn/The UB coach forever average but not good enough Reggie Witherspoon for not getting it done period at the end of the day. Let's Go Buffalo

I've done my very, very best to stay out of this but BSF you need to slow your roll..

So you would rather I not post anymore, not care, not give, not buy merchandise and not go to UB football and basketball

One can post without whining.. Heck one can even be a vocal critic without whining.

I think Brooklynbull is a New Yorker and insulting his comment like who is he, he doesn't live in Buffalo to really understand what is going on with UB athletics and the Buffalo community all he says is the same tired did you give in posts it is old and in my opinion miss the big picture completely because at the end of the day he lives in Brooklyn not Buffalo and yes it matters he has some nerve calling out a Buffalonians with questioning there support like who is he?

Brook is a lot of things and yes he can be very trying but I'll never doubt that outside of the Buffalo Staff he probablly has a better feel for whats going on than any human being on the planet. He put his time and money into supporting the program.

Brook's a New Yorker but he is also a UB almuni. I don't care where you're from or where you live. If you're a UB alumni who supports the program you're welcome to tell other what for (just as they are to you)

I don't think I'd like Brook too much if we were neighbors. Our politics and general outlook on life is pretty different but that's the great thing about sports, and the reason it needs to be on a college campus. No matter how much brook would get under my skin from Sunday to Friday I would be happy to crack open a beer with him at the tailgate on Saturday.

A New Yorker in most general cases doesn't question SUNY/State college sports because they have alot of stuff so why question just blame Buffalo it is easy cheap comeback New York City way to do things in my opinion and I am tired of that absolute garage anymore as a Buffalonian.

I'm married to a City Girl and I can tell you you're way off. Most folks in NYC don't really care one way or the others. Those that do care are usually tied to the area by family or experiences (like being a UB alumni).

In reply to Buffalo Super Fan I for many years was involved in fund raising for UB Athletics until they changed the way they do the fundraising.  I still urge people to donate to athletics whenever I can.

I only question what people post about facilities and what is needed for UB Athletics when they complain that UB is not doing enough and needs more or better facilities.  When a person complains that UB needs more that is fine, but they better be helping beyond buying tickets.  It does not matter what a person gives as long as they give something.  I started off giving $15 a year right after graduation and through sound planning my level has increased over the decades.  Do you have to be the Murchie family and give what they have given the last few years, no.  But to complain and not give is wrong.  It is like complaining about elected officials and not voting.

If you answered my problem/solution question it must have been buried in one of your tomes that continues to use wrong words and have typos through out. (Try typing your posts in Word and cut and pasting so that you can avoid the errors.)  Since it seems that you give great and thank you.  Keep it up.

I've done my very, very best to stay out of this but BSF you need to slow your roll..

So you would rather I not post anymore, not care, not give, not buy merchandise and not go to UB football and basketball

One can post without whining.. Heck one can even be a vocal critic without whining.

I think Brooklynbull is a New Yorker and insulting his comment like who is he, he doesn't live in Buffalo to really understand what is going on with UB athletics and the Buffalo community all he says is the same tired did you give in posts it is old and in my opinion miss the big picture completely because at the end of the day he lives in Brooklyn not Buffalo and yes it matters he has some nerve calling out a Buffalonians with questioning there support like who is he?

Brook is a lot of things and yes he can be very trying but I'll never doubt that outside of the Buffalo Staff he probablly has a better feel for whats going on than any human being on the planet. He put his time and money into supporting the program.

Brook's a New Yorker but he is also a UB almuni. I don't care where you're from or where you live. If you're a UB alumni who supports the program you're welcome to tell other what for (just as they are to you)

I don't think I'd like Brook too much if we were neighbors. Our politics and general outlook on life is pretty different but that's the great thing about sports, and the reason it needs to be on a college campus. No matter how much brook would get under my skin from Sunday to Friday I would be happy to crack open a beer with him at the tailgate on Saturday.

A New Yorker in most general cases doesn't question SUNY/State college sports because they have alot of stuff so why question just blame Buffalo it is easy cheap comeback New York City way to do things in my opinion and I am tired of that absolute garage anymore as a Buffalonian.

I'm married to a City Girl and I can tell you you're way off. Most folks in NYC don't really care one way or the others. Those that do care are usually tied to the area by family or experiences (like being a UB alumni).

First of all read my post to Brooklynbull and all UB fans below because it applies to you also. Because we posted before and we totally disagree on many things with UB athletics on Buffalo Range in the past going back to 2009 including Jeff Quinn hire ring bell, know who I am now as a poster? And all you said was give him a chance give him a chance well we see how that turned out didn't we. Buffalo Range other then myself UB posting today has like zero posters now after the Turner Gill days why? I will tell you why because Jeff Quinn has wrecked this UB football program so bad it will be 2020 before someone gets UB out of this mess in my opinion. All of Turner Gill's work has been undone in my opinion so don't play like you don't know who I am as a poster because I think you know me from Buffalo Range and we usually never agree on things with the UB Bulls football and basketball program. You do a good job with your UB blog but you come from one side and not from the local Buffalo community angle that is tired of the losing and in my opinion I am very concerned about UB season ticket numbers and attendance this football season for some reason seeing the Buffalo Bisons attendance is down 1,200 a game because Buffalo is tired of the losing for 4 years with the New York Mets so who knows what attendance will be like for this UB football season?

You don't like it because I am not polyanna with UB athletics like you and many are which is fine you have a right to your opinion but I have a right to an opinion too. But don't play games like oh I was going to stay out it. You know better in my opinion I am not bad at all as a poster. I am respectiful to all if half these poster came out of the UB is great land athletics message board no matter what to real Buffalo community sports boards they would see there are alot way worse then me in my opinion with bad language added in. Whine you say atleast I care enough to post, I am disappointed coming from you that is the best you got? Most see Jeff Quinn as a bum and just ignore UB like Buffalo State Division 3 football sadly today so spare me I am this Buffalo bad poster just piling on what other posted in a pack to feel smart for me stating an opinion shared by most of Buffalo community in my opinion or worse then what I think because you don't agree whuch is fine. But instead your just pile on in numbers which is very unfortunate in my opinion instead of coming in with an opinion of how to fix this mess that Jeff Quinn created. And that is another thing I didn't coach all those UB football games Jeff Quinn did.

Yet I get singled out put the blame on Jeff Quinn and UB athletics where the blame belongs in my opinion. And yes folks I was one of the very few that thought Jeff Quinn was the mouth that roared with next bull in and wasn't the right hire for UB at the time. I wanted to continue Turner Gill's work with Danny Barrett would have been my choice right or wrong for UB head coach at that time we will never know now but could he be worse then 5 wins in two years? That is something else I think you know that I was a huge supporter of continueing what Turner Gill started with Danny Barrett. Now what would I do fire Jeff Quinn at the end of the football season if he doesn't have a winning football season with a bowl game and offer the UB football job to Turner Gill who is at FCS Liberty and I think Turner Gill would atleast listen if UB knocked on his door with another FBS football job in my opinion. I realize not everyone liked Turner Gill on this board but the Buffalo community did me included. And Turner Gill's final season 5 wins was as much as Jeff Quinn in two years at UB with no James Starks because he was out for the season at the time. But atleast it is a plan instead of riping into me as a poster for having the courage to stand up for Buffalo and to try to fix the UB football program before UB loses anymore potential attendance losses and interest in general in the Buffalo community in my opinion. Can UB really afford to bring Jeff Quinn back if he has another losing season? I guess it is in the eye of the beholder but every year losing continues in my opinon sets the UB football program back even further. Let's Go Buffalo

In reply to Buffalo Super Fan I for many years was involved in fund raising for UB Athletics until they changed the way they do the fundraising.  I still urge people to donate to athletics whenever I can.

I only question what people post about facilities and what is needed for UB Athletics when they complain that UB is not doing enough and needs more or better facilities.  When a person complains that UB needs more that is fine, but they better be helping beyond buying tickets.  It does not matter what a person gives as long as they give something.  I started off giving $15 a year right after graduation and through sound planning my level has increased over the decades.  Do you have to be the Murchie family and give what they have given the last few years, no.  But to complain and not give is wrong.  It is like complaining about elected officials and not voting.

If you answered my problem/solution question it must have been buried in one of your tomes that continues to use wrong words and have typos through out. (Try typing your posts in Word and cut and pasting so that you can avoid the errors.)  Since it seems that you give great and thank you.  Keep it up.

Brooklynbull first I want to say I  am sorry to you this board post has gotten way out of hand from other UB posters replies I agree. I was never picking on Brooklynbull as a individual and it wasn't personal like he just posted with typos etc to get off the subject of UB athletics because deep down he knows I have valid issues in posts because he doesn't want to see myself as a poster entittled to his opinion even though we are in different mindsets because of geography in my opinion between Buffalo and New York and always will be in my opinion that is also all I was posting. I can take your typos exc, I never said I was the smartest guys out there and I said I wasn't smart enough for UB like many on this board, I went to Canisius. I will always remain a humble Buffalonian. I am calling almost the whole UB board out but a few that I feel get it and are in the same frame of mind as how I feel with UB football and basketball, the problem I have the many on here is the metality around here of it is never UB/SUNY/State's fault for years even before Turner Gill I am going back. Again I singled out Brooklynbull because of the giving comment in his posts with not just me but with everyone in the past. Because in my opinion I am not going to tell a Buffalonian or anyone for that matter to give because I do, that is wrong and none of my business that is a very personal choice and yes in my Buffalo world UB fans can complain/whine do whatever they want in a post as long as it isn't directed at a person personally where it is a bully type of thing on this board in the boundries of good taste, also with no bad language.

UB has a failing head football coach making 5 times what the average Mary and John Buffalonian makes money wise. Jeff Quinn is an adult he knew what he came into at UB with all that money he accepted. I don't care that the Alabama coach makes this or that compared to Jeff Quinn, I am only talking about from a Buffalo persons perspective and the world we live in around WNY. No one forced Jeff Quinn to take the UB football job. No one is saying he shouldn't make that type of money either but with that money comes responsiblity for failing in my opinion at UB that too many want to just gloss over with excuses for failing in my opinion on this board. Jeff Quinn, UB and Buffalo all of Buffalo not only the one that gives made Jeff Quinn a millionaire in basically three years. I don't feel sorry or make excuses for Jeff Quinn failing it is on him, I look at it as all of us helped made this man's dreams come true in my opinion. Hopefully he saved and invested that money wisely but it is time way past the time he needs to go in my opinon if he doesn't get UB to a bowl game this season that is the only way I see him saving his job in my opinion enough with the excuses, because that is what they are excuses at the end of the day.

Plus also Mary and John gave regardless weather there Buffalo Bulls fans or not towards supporting a state public university which UB is just taxes in New York State that is what ticked me off a little with this boards UB IVY Tower approach does no wrong and calling out the Buffalo Community which I represent because I am not a UB Alum but UB isn't a private school so yes I think not just UB fans but the public can question what is going on with UB's awful football program but for 3 or 4 years in almost two decades. I have said before with me the players are off limits it is just a personal thing with me because yes they get schlorships but there not paid professionals like Jeff Quinn, Reggie Witherspoon, UB as a whole etc. Two many on here are like how dare anyone question the great UB/SUNY/State in athletics that is the tone I have always gotten from this board and yes alot of you are to blame for sitting back and accepting statis quo of losing yearly and not questioning enough the short comings of UB in athletics overall since 1999 but a few like I have said.

I don't feel special or anything above any person because I give or because I buy season tickets for almost two decades or that I buy UB merchandise over a Buffalo citizen that may never have seen to a UB sporting event live in person but they watch on tv or radio or follow whatever way they can. Because if there in state or locally there still giving through watching, taxes and by going to UB many sponsors in town in my opinion. I think Brooklynbull and Recoveringhillbilly are great poster it is nothing person and never will be at them or anyone for that matter but we just disagree on many issues with UB athletics because I still think there both very naive if they think without major major more dollars from UB/SUNY/State UB athletics is ever going to be consistant winners in football or even beating a FBS BCS school like Temple beat Maryland in football last season.

Our UB athletic budget is way to low in my opinion in football and basketball it should be double in my opinion if UB is serious about Big Time Athletics that is why I brought up if UB/SUNY/State isn't going to do FBS right maybe UB would be best in FCS football and raising the basketball budget that is way too low. I think UB is behind the Little Three I believe don't hold me to that off the top of my head in men's basketball with budget as a example. Sure UB has in my opinion the best local basketball arena now with the upgrades last season but the basketball budget is still to low in my opinion to really do anything serious even at the NCAA tournment level like round of 16 without really alot of luck, hoping and wishing on UB fans part. Yet many on this UB board don't get it in my opinion. This subject is getting old for me and I am not commenting on this anymore. I feel many Buffalonians also feel this way and until something is done with UB/SUNY/State giving alot more money nothing is changing but the year in my opinion and that goes for UB attendance also.

I will leave with this and where my Buffalo Bills point came into play if this state is so messed up they can't give the Buffalo Bills $200 million for Ralph Wilson Stadium repairs in a new lease which is a drop in the bucket to what the state gets back taxing an NFL total team yearly payroll playing in state but yet finds $35 million for a very iffy return tax money wise for the state for new SUNY Albany football stadium what makes anyone think if the Buffalo Bills leave watch out UB football will be all this and a bag of chips is beyond me in my opinion. The state isn't going to most likely ever give much to UB athletics because the return just isn't there for MAC football sorry but it is the truth. The NFL player like Buffalo Bills Mario Williams signed $100 million dollar contract and he then bought a $2 million dollar home in a south Buffalo suberb the state gets a piece of that action get it. That is what I was getting at so the Buffalo Bills are not UB athletics problem the problem is much bigger then that in my opinion with UB athletics then to be naive enough for some to think UB would make out with the Buffalo Bills leaving to any great extent. Buffalo isn't Hartford, Connecticut that runs to Connecticut Huskies athletic events consistantly. What I am saying as bad as Buffalo gets knocked from an economic stand point sports wise Buffalo is way better off then Hartford because of southern Ontario one, facilties two like our arena, ballpark and stadiums, and three just overall better sports market that will most likely support a CFL or a Arena Football team in Buffalo if the Buffalo Bills NFL left that is my point. Would the support still be the same of course not, nor would the taxes the state get back that would be gone also with the NFL in my opinion. I prove that point with the Buffalo Bandits that I like to bring up to potentially disproves a UB fans thought process that says the Buffalo Bills leaving helps UB athletics and I say no it doesn't and I use the Buffalo Bandits NLL Lacrosse and acohol an adult event to prove my point. Not all those Buffalo Bills fans will go to potentially a new Buffalo Destroyers AFL team again or a new Buffalo Americans CFL team potentially coming as a example hypothetically but many would go to games because Buffalo isn't Connecticut in mindset as just a college sports town. Buffalo is a pro sports town in my opinion for over 100 years how is the Buffalo Bills leaving changing that it isn't? UB had years before the Buffalo Bills and it just never caught on beyond a MAC level. Now could putting $1 billion or more start up from the state for UB for a Ohio State type program work yes, but I don't see the state doing that because there isn't enough money in it to make that type of state investment in Buffalo in my opinion. Expecially if the state is so silent on $200 million dollars for Buffalo Bills stadium repairs, no way the state I see giving UB $1 billion or more to start a Ohio State program with new UB stadium because let's be serious UB stadium there is no way as is, is a FBS BCS level stadium.

New UB or Buffalo Bills stadium just basically open air stadium starting $600 million and up. Just so some if there thinking where is Buffalo Super Fan pulling $1 billion dollars or more from. That is just the stadium, that doesn't include rent at First Niagara Center because no way in conference game is the present Alumni Arena good enough for more then out of conference cup cake games to pad UB's win totals to potentially get to yearly NCAA tournment play. Then you got is Buffalo getting 18,000 plus nightly at First Niagara Center for basketball and for 41 home games for the Buffalo Sabres NHL hockey yes I like to dream but I am also realistic and say no proabley not in Buffalo current economic situation and the way the economy is today. Football for 6 or 7 home games I think Buffalo could do it but basketball in a higher conference that requires higher attendance I have doubts with 2,000 to 3,000 that attend UB basketball games in the MAC now including me before some UB fans says BSF is whining again in a post in my opinion.

So if the Buffalo Bills NFL do leave the money will just go to Terry Pegula with First Niagara Center (FNC) that is the most modern of Buffalo's stadium/arenas. I question if NFL leaves if Buffalo can even afford to keep Ralph Wilson Stadium up the taxpayers in my opinion. I see all the Buffalo sports if the Buffalo Bills leave centering around FNC with the Buffalo Sabres, Buffalo Bandits and potential new Arena football team coming if the Buffalo Bills left to replace professional football. With the Buffalo Bisons and UB Bulls getting there same small market share and nothing more. The Buffalo Bisons attendance will stay the same, the UB attendance will stay the same and also the lack of an adult night out without the alcohol also in my opinion hinders UB ever getting to the Buffalo Bills level. Let's Go Buffalo

tl;dr

Okay...I skimmed.

Quinn...if the team is 2 - 10, he'll be gone.  But he is here now and he is the coach for this season.  They'll be plenty of time after the final game to discuss his fate.

Let's enjoy the season.  Everyone starts at 0 - 0.  The trip to Athens is fast approaching.  College football is in the air.

I bleed blue and white.

Go Bulls!

First of all read my post to Brooklynbull and all UB fans below because it applies to you also. Because we posted before and we totally disagree on many things with UB athletics on Buffalo Range in the past going back to 2009 including Jeff Quinn hire ring bell, know who I am now as a poster?

Don't know, and I don't care.

And all you said was give him a chance give him a chance well we see how that turned out didn't we.

You are aware he inherited a mess at offensive line right?

All of Turner Gill's work has been undone in my opinion so don't play like you don't know who I am as a poster because I think you know me from Buffalo Range and we usually never agree on things with the UB Bulls football and basketball program.

Believe it or not I do not keep a file on people I posted with in 2009. I really don't have any idea who you are.

You do a good job with your UB blog but you come from one side and not from the local Buffalo community angle

I lived in Buffalo for 25 years and was exclusively a Bills fan before I left..

You don't like it because I am not polyanna with UB athletics like you and many are which is fine you have a right to your opinion but I have a right to an opinion too. But don't play games like oh I was going to stay out it.

What is this even supposed to mean?

I am respectiful to all if half these poster came out of the UB is great land athletics message board no matter what to real Buffalo community sports boards they would see there are alot way worse then me in my opinion with bad language added in. Whine you say atleast I care enough to post, I am disappointed coming from you that is the best you got? Most see Jeff Quinn as a bum and just ignore UB like Buffalo State Division 3 football sadly today so spare me I am this Buffalo bad poster just piling on what other posted in a pack to feel smart for me stating an opinion shared by most of Buffalo community in my opinion or worse then what I think because you don't agree whuch is fine. But instead your just pile on in numbers which is very unfortunate in my opinion instead of coming in with an opinion of how to fix this mess that Jeff Quinn created. And that is another thing I didn't coach all those UB football games Jeff Quinn did.

Brevity it the soul of whit... You should try some.