Dabulls Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 https://twitter.com/IlliniAthletics/status/1340297219828813828?s=20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Bret Bielema new Illinois coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skrabukes Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, DooleyBull06 said: Bret Bielema new Illinois coach Long history of big coaching gigs for him. Not a shocking hire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 1 minute ago, skrabukes said: Long history of big coaching gigs for him. Not a shocking hire. 6 year at 4.2 per Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illinifan Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 9 hours ago, promotherobot said: 36 minutes ago, DooleyBull06 said: 6 year at 4.2 per Our players had a watch party last night to watch their new coach and they find out today that it isn’t him. Many were told that it would be him. Only at Illinois. I did watch today’s game. I thought that 3rd down play calling was poor, but at times the execution was poor too. But honestly I was hoping for more from the offense, especially in the second half. No excuse to only get 7 points tonight. I was “ok” with him not kicking the FG. But I’m just assuming he didn’t have high confidence in his kicker. Plus Lovie Smith never saw a 50+ yard FG that he didn’t like so it was refreshing to see a coach trust his offense to convert in those situations. And the right play was called, but the receiver dropped it. Im not worried about a rebuild taking 3 years. We’ve been in a 30 year rebuild... our fans arent exactly excited about a liepold hire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illinifan Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Sorry my last post was screwy. Our players had a watch party last night to watch their new coach and they find out today that it isn’t him. Many were told that it would be him. Only at Illinois. Sorry to provide bad info last night guys. Go Bulls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skrabukes Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 1 hour ago, DooleyBull06 said: 6 year at 4.2 per That's a lot of $$. The whole system is crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illinifan Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 1 hour ago, skrabukes said: That's a lot of $$. The whole system is crazy. The system is crazy. Beilema is the 10th highest paid Big Ten coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigo230 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 the timing is odd. Seems a little coincidental that the announcement was held off until this morning (after MAC game). feels like maybe they had it narrowed down to two men and just wanted to have one last look. Now the Giants LB coach is high tailing it out the day before a game. But yeah, crazy money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGBull Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/kansas-coaching-candidates-lance-leipold-jeff-monken-among-top-options-to-replace-les-miles/ Hopefully Leipold doesn’t make the same mistake that Gill did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeyG Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 They all think they can make it work at Kansas. If they throw enough money at him he’s gone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clodney Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 How many failed coaches can Kansas possibly have before these guys realize it's not worth it? Les Miles went 114-34 at LSU in the toughest conference in college football and then went 3-18 in two seasons at Kansas. Why would Leipold possibly want to leave to take that unwinnable challenge? He can make a ton of money, sure, but he sets his career back at least 5 years and then has to hope another Buffalo-level school comes calling. I think with another year of solid play at Buffalo he'll be seeing offers from schools MUCH more attractive than Kansas where he could actually win a few games and not destroy his upward trajectory. Kansas is the Buffalo Sabres of college football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skrabukes Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 37 minutes ago, clodney said: Kansas is the Buffalo Sabres of college football. Ouch. That's bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clodney Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Full disclosure, I'm a massive Sabres fan. I just couldn't think of any teams that exemplified Kansas more than them. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skrabukes Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, clodney said: Full disclosure, I'm a massive Sabres fan. I just couldn't think of any teams that exemplified Kansas more than them. I may not be a "massive" sabres fan, but I do enjoy watching them (just not now, it's too painful!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChubbyHubby Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 4 hours ago, clodney said: How many failed coaches can Kansas possibly have before these guys realize it's not worth it? Les Miles went 114-34 at LSU in the toughest conference in college football and then went 3-18 in two seasons at Kansas. Why would Leipold possibly want to leave to take that unwinnable challenge? He can make a ton of money, sure, but he sets his career back at least 5 years and then has to hope another Buffalo-level school comes calling. I think with another year of solid play at Buffalo he'll be seeing offers from schools MUCH more attractive than Kansas where he could actually win a few games and not destroy his upward trajectory. Kansas is the Buffalo Sabres of college football. I've asked LL's Admin. to put this note in front of his face each day, until Kansas hires someone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 56 minutes ago, ChubbyHubby said: I've asked LL's Admin. to put this note in front of his face each day, until Kansas hires someone. Among other things, it’s March so his team will basically be what it is during COVID so 2021 is a lost season for whomever. So maybe you get 2 more years after that so he burns the next 3 years. Once the experiment fails again he’s on the block as a good D3 and lower level D1 coach, so major conferences will shy away. Then does 3 more years at a Buffalo/Liberty and maybe gets another major conference shot. By then, teams will be hiring the next great 25 year old grad assistant that the next “hot thing”. He’s got a strong UB team coming back. Another 8-10 win season and he will be in demand for better than Illinois or Kansas. in my humble opinion or course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBlearns Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Gill to Kansas made sense at the time. His daughter was a student there, he had a history of success as both a player and a coach in the region at Nebraska, and Kansas was only recently-removed from a historically-good season (albeit in hindsight an anomaly) and had won 3 bowl games in 5 years. None of it really makes sense for Leipold - the only things Kansas can offer are a higher standard of competition and more money. Maybe he relishes the challenge, or maybe Kansas breaks the bank for him. But I think you could reasonably argue that Kansas is the single worst P5 job in the country as of today. They've won literally 5 conference games in the past decade. The last time they won more than 1 game in-conference in a single season was 2008. Unless he's really just looking to cash-in, Kansas just doesn't make any sense to me. So long as UB even has a reasonably-good season this coming year and can sniff a bowl game, Leipold will still be as hot a prospect at the end of 2021 as he is right now. Better opportunities will come calling for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB92 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 8 hours ago, clodney said: How many failed coaches can Kansas possibly have before these guys realize it's not worth it? Les Miles went 114-34 at LSU in the toughest conference in college football and then went 3-18 in two seasons at Kansas. Why would Leipold possibly want to leave to take that unwinnable challenge? He can make a ton of money, sure, but he sets his career back at least 5 years and then has to hope another Buffalo-level school comes calling. I think with another year of solid play at Buffalo he'll be seeing offers from schools MUCH more attractive than Kansas where he could actually win a few games and not destroy his upward trajectory. Kansas is the Buffalo Sabres of college football. The fat man won at Kansas. Amazingly, he left KU with an overall winning record, including an Orange Bowl victory. Before and after his tenure, they lost. His is the outlier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChubbyHubby Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 The post from UBlearns will be added to the posts that are put on LL's desk each day until Kansas hires someone else. 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchcountry7 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 The problem with Kansas is that they are required to play 9 games every year in the Big 12. This means fewer OOC games that can be scheduled to get some wins, confidence, and momentum. And unlike the Pac12, SEC, ACC, and Big Ten the Big 12 didn't expand and water their conference down. The Big 12 conference having a full-round robin means that the worst team in the conference (Kansas) has to play every contender for the conference championship every year. The full round robin with a smaller conference actually means that Kansas has a tougher schedule than the bottom teams in the other P5 conferences. Kansas needs a lot of work and they can't get momentum with the schedule they face. They are locked in to a tough spot. #64 Texas Tech was the worst Big 12 team this year (not counting Kansas since they can't play themselves). So Kansas could only play three games against teams #65 or worse. Top-65 teams are pretty solid teams that are capable of knocking off a top-20 team--these are teams that are expecting to get into bowl games. Comparison of conferences for (Sagarin Ratings) in order of fewest sub-65 game opportunities for the last place divisional team based on current team performances: Big 12 - Kansas (3 Maximum) - 3 OOC games. SEC East - Vanderbilt (4 maximum) - 4 OOC games ACC Coastal - Duke (4 minimum) - 3 OOC games plus #96 GA Tech plus potential cross over games SEC West - Arkansas (4 minimum) - 4 OOC games plus potential cross over games ACC Atlantic - Syracuse (5 minimum) - 3 OOC games plus #66 Boston College and #92 Florida State plus potential cross over games Big Ten East - Rutgers (5 minimum) 3 OOC games plus #85 Maryland and #89 Michigan State plus potential cross over games Big Ten West - Illinois (5 minimum) - 3 OOC games plus #67 Nebraska and #76 Purdue plus potential cross over games So each of those other conference bottom teams has more opportunities to play sub-65 games which can be used to get some wins under their belt and help with recruiting and fan engagement. Kansas has the hardest path in that all while playing in a conference with some of the top teams in the country that contend for the playoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBull Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, dutchcountry7 said: the Big 12 didn't expand and water their conference down The Big 12, which is what is left of the Big 8 and the old Southwest Conference, has lost teams. The have lost Texas A&M and Missouri. Much of that had to do with the creation of the Longhorn Network, which created a huge revenue stream for Texas and those schools felt they could not compete against Texas with all the extra money they would have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigo230 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Well, if LL wants the Kansas job, he really must want to get the hell out of Buffalo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myBuffalo Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, zigo230 said: Well, if LL wants the Kansas job, he really must want to get the hell out of Buffalo. I couldn't agree more, although Lawrence is a lovely college town, it is extremely plain and small. My friend was a S&C coach there two years during the Mangino years - campus is beautiful, Fogg Allan Fieldhouse is magical, I couldn't see living there compared to WNY. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchcountry7 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 3 hours ago, BrooklynBull said: The Big 12, which is what is left of the Big 8 and the old Southwest Conference, has lost teams. The have lost Texas A&M and Missouri. Much of that had to do with the creation of the Longhorn Network, which created a huge revenue stream for Texas and those schools felt they could not compete against Texas with all the extra money they would have. And they decided not to add teams weaker than the median. Other conferences added teams for their TV markets that weren't as strong on the field. The Big 12 didn't do that. It is harder to get to .500 for Kansas in the Big 12 than it would be in every other conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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