DooleyBull06 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 23 hours ago, Big 4 Hoops Blogger said: Great information, unfortunately 247 is missing a few things. Ohio signed a 247 3-star, Top-250 player earlier this year, AJ Clayton. He reclassified from 2022 to 21' and was getting looks from all of the big Ohio schools despite being from the middle of nowhere. https://247sports.com/player/aj-clayton-46102825/ The transfer portal also plays a big role in this and it's often hard to quantify a newcomer's value. Take for instance, Jason Carter from Xavier to Ohio. He was a star in the MAC but an average contributor at Xavier. What will he be like back on the Bobcats? One last tidbit after not seeing this mentioned anywhere, Ohio also added a Rivals Top-150 (#135) verbal for 2022 in Aidan Hadaway who chose the Bobcats over Georgia. Right now, it appears to be a two-way recruiting battle in the MAC between UB and OU. https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2022/aidan-hadaway-276103 Neither has a distinct advantage over the other as long as Boals and Whitesell remain. To this point I don’t see Boals remaining at Ohio long if he has another successful year. I know it’s his alam mater but the man can flat out recruit. Winning in the MAC and being able to recruit will move you up in the world. Just ask Oats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dabulls Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Looking at Devin’s recruiting timeline, I think we got him at a perfect time. For a while he was greatly under recruited and we seemingly offered him early. Then his offers increased and he was being offered by some good mid majors along with Virginia Tech. His progression in his recruiting tells me that his game keeps evolving and improving. By the time he gets to us he may be a high major prototype. Same thing happened with Kidtrell Blocker, was under recruited then balled out at a few showcases and earned himself high major interest and offers. Us out recruiting them for players is great and I am excited to se these guys on the court 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 While we love the bigs that we have on the roster, guard play wins games. Just look at the national title game. We loaded up on bigs, now time to solidify the backcourt. Love this addition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
121Merrimac Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 On 8/10/2021 at 6:33 AM, Dabulls said: .., I think we got him at a perfect time… Great post, I had similar thoughts. Deep down though, in dark places usually best left unexplored, another thought began to sprout. His progress will continue at UB, and in three years he will be portal’d to Tech, or another program that just began to follow him. UBFandom will turn into a pitchfork and torch carrying mob, calling for the heads of all unfaithful student athletes. Good thing I plucked that thought like a weed, before it could mature and grow fruit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 46 minutes ago, 121Merrimac said: Great post, I had similar thoughts. Deep down though, in dark places usually best left unexplored, another thought began to sprout. His progress will continue at UB, and in three years he will be portal’d to Tech, or another program that just began to follow him. UBFandom will turn into a pitchfork and torch carrying mob, calling for the heads of all unfaithful student athletes. Good thing I plucked that thought like a weed, before it could mature and grow fruit. If he leads us to the big dance a time or 2 before he portals out, are we all happy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
121Merrimac Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, DooleyBull06 said: If he leads us to the big dance a time or 2 before he portals out, are we all happy? I am. The portal doesn’t bother me. It is just an extension of college sports in general. Rosters are always changing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChubbyHubby Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 I don't like the portal, but it's here, so I deal with it. I guess as long as we benefit from it as much as we lose to it, I can learn to live with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocCas86 Posted August 11, 2021 Author Share Posted August 11, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, 121Merrimac said: I am. The portal doesn’t bother me. It is just an extension of college sports in general. Rosters are always changing. Agree with both of you 100% - would be perfectly happy if he plays so well that transfer becomes a possibility - as this will hopefully mean team success. UB has been very good of late parlaying on-court success to keeping transfers to a minimum, but it will impact us at some point I am afraid. As a case in point, here is latest year 'success' of keeping people out of the portal vs the MAC - we only lost 1.4% of our total minutes to portal. Edited August 11, 2021 by DocCas86 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 1 hour ago, DocCas86 said: Agree with both of you 100% - would be perfectly happy if he plays so well that transfer becomes a possibility - as this will hopefully mean team success. UB has been very good of late parlaying on-court success to keeping transfers to a minimum, but it will impact us at some point I am afraid. As a case in point, here is latest year 'success' of keeping people out of the portal vs the MAC - we only lost 1.4% of our total minutes to portal. And if that 1.4% is Savion Gallion, I'm good with that % loss. I think we have better freshmen coming in than what he would have provided his last 2 years. The Michigan directional schools got hammered!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue32 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 To be honest I think we're in a pretty good spot for the portal. We haven't had a major loss there since Bearden, and we've had several significant contributors come in since then. Being a top mid-major theoretically gives us a shot to pick from some good down transfers, while also retaining the Segus and Williams because we're still winning and they arguably get just as big of a spotlight as they would as a role player at a high major. I understand frustration with some of Whitesell's shortcomings, but he seems to continue a culture that players aren't choosing to leave while also succeeding at bringing in more high level talent. You can argue what the ceiling is with Whitesell but I feel he brings a high floor to the program, which I value highly with a re-shuffling of the conference decks on the horizon (which if things break right could raise our ceiling for us). Now is not the time for the program to fall off of the map, and hopefully Linguist can do the same for the football program. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuchMany Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 13 minutes ago, Erie County said: Didn't Ohio just nab a 4 star? No. Thanks for checking in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuchMany Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Erie County said: Aiden Hadaway I've seen a 4 star in a few places. You are welcome for checking in. A few places eh? Haven't seen that anywhere, drop some links. Seems like a real nice top-150 get for them. A little lower but comparable to Jeenathan when he came in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
961819 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 31 minutes ago, MuchMany said: A few places eh? Haven't seen that anywhere, drop some links. Seems like a real nice top-150 get for them. A little lower but comparable to Jeenathan when he came in. Perhaps I missed something here but why exactly are we being so confrontational to Erie County? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB05 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 4 hours ago, 961819 said: Perhaps I missed something here but why exactly are we being so confrontational to Erie County? My guess is because he hates the current staff and will go out of his way to inject that into everything here. For instance a thread where everyone is excited about a new recruit he posted that they’re unranked, and that Ohio got a 4 star. Which in and of itself doesn’t seem like much, but in the context of the poster wanting everything Whitesell to be bad, even when we land a good recruit, probably rubbed someone the wrong way. That’s just my assumption though, based off spending time on this message board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikescherrer8 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Been saying it for years, and it will always remain the same, rankings do not mean shit. The greatest player in UB history, unranked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBull Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 (edited) 51 minutes ago, mikescherrer8 said: Been saying it for years, and it will always remain the same, rankings do not mean shit. The greatest player in UB history, unranked. Of course Sam Pellom was unranked. Players were not ranked tehy way they are today back then. Edited August 17, 2021 by BrooklynBull 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue32 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 (edited) Who Ohio lands only really matters if you think Jeff Boals will be at Ohio for long, which I personally do not. Williams was ranked #130 and became an all-conference level player his junior year. Lets see if Boals is in the MAC in 2025 Edited August 17, 2021 by trueblue32 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee4three Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Ub landing great recruits and ohio landing great recruits is a good thing. Lets build the mac so that we don't have to only win the mac tournament to get into March madness Anyways I'm pretty sure ceaser was about to grab some more power conference offers. Rankings are fun but a lot of times you should look at who is offering as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dabulls Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 54 minutes ago, Tee4three said: Ub landing great recruits and ohio landing great recruits is a good thing. Lets build the mac so that we don't have to only win the mac tournament to get into March madness Anyways I'm pretty sure ceaser was about to grab some more power conference offers. Rankings are fun but a lot of times you should look at who is offering as well Rankings don’t matter, I can make a case for offers as well. What’s nice is seeing that we beat out other great mid majors and an ACC team for ceasar. If he’s impressing their scouts he must be good at what he does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skrabukes Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Let's just hope he shows up to UB 12 months from now. These verbals and even signings mean very little these days. It's great to have him in the fold, but one season at a time and fingers crossed for not only a MAC championship this year, but his arrival next fall. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocCas86 Posted August 17, 2021 Author Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 hour ago, trueblue32 said: Who Ohio lands only really matters if you think Jeff Boals will be at Ohio for long, which I personally do not. Williams was ranked #130 and became an all-conference level player his junior year. Lets see if Boals is in the MAC in 2025 I think there would be a risk of a Aiden Hadaway transfer if Boals leaves. However, depending on how Ohio handles the transition, they may be in a position to convince any potential transfer to stay like we were able to retain Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, DocCas86 said: I think there would be a risk of a Aiden Hadaway transfer if Boals leaves. However, depending on how Ohio handles the transition, they may be in a position to convince any potential transfer to stay like we were able to retain Williams. It’s all up to the kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue32 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, DocCas86 said: I think there would be a risk of a Aiden Hadaway transfer if Boals leaves. However, depending on how Ohio handles the transition, they may be in a position to convince any potential transfer to stay like we were able to retain Williams. My thought is Boals is gone after this year (see: Oats winning an NCAAT game, running it back with mostly the same team, and then bolting). Convincing Hadaway to come then without ever stepping on campus is a different discussion. He's more akin to James Rojas, Andre Allen, Raymond Hawkins than Williams in that regard, but that's all conjecture. Edited August 17, 2021 by trueblue32 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocCas86 Posted August 17, 2021 Author Share Posted August 17, 2021 39 minutes ago, trueblue32 said: My thought is Boals is gone after this year (see: Oats winning an NCAAT game, running it back with mostly the same team, and then bolting). Convincing Hadaway to come then without ever stepping on campus is a different discussion. He's more akin to James Rojas, Andre Allen, Raymond Hawkins than Williams in that regard, but that's all conjecture. Fair point...I was not considering the timing. Williams had already played one year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dabulls Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 Devin is rated as the 50th best PG in the country according to ESPN 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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