Slim Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 31 minutes ago, UBlearns said: Pete Thamel reporting MAC is considering expansion, namely WKU and MTSU. Would be solid basketball adds. Personally would take WKU and UMass ... interesting to see how FB divisions look with WKU/MTSU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gxtrex Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, Slim said: Personally would take WKU and UMass ... interesting to see how FB divisions look with WKU/MTSU. Whats the appeal of umass? Their basketball is alright but they have one of the worst teams in fbs. They are not in a good recruiting location either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBulls99 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Gxtrex said: Whats the appeal of umass? Their basketball is alright but they have one of the worst teams in fbs. They are not in a good recruiting location either. UMass will NOT bring over their hoops teams. This would be Football only so…pass. WKU would be solid add but Rick Stansbury is notorious for cheating his butt off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gxtrex Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 9 hours ago, DaBulls99 said: UMass will NOT bring over their teams. This would be Football only so…pass. WKU would be solid add but Rick Stansbury is notorious for cheating his butt off. I agree definitely no to football only. But even all sports from them doesn't seem worth it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue32 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Sounding likely we get WKU and MTSU. From a conference standpoint, this is a good boost I think in basketball talent, however this won't get us out of one-bid territory so we're just adding more competition which isn't ideal. KenPom has a Program Rank metric that ranks programs based on his data going back to 1997. This round of realignment would see the MAC receive a slight bump in average Program Rank, although the conference doesn't move up at all in the conference rankings: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB77 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Maybe all of this conference dancing is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Traditional "amateur sports" looks like it is becoming a thing if the past. https://www.axios.com/overtime-elite-baskeball-elite-prospects-655293b3-d389-4074-9fe3-d3d33836c5c9.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchcountry7 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, UB77 said: Maybe all of this conference dancing is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Traditional "amateur sports" looks like it is becoming a thing if the past. https://www.axios.com/overtime-elite-baskeball-elite-prospects-655293b3-d389-4074-9fe3-d3d33836c5c9.html I don’t believe this will have any impact. If anything it helps programs like UB by getting the most elite players out of the college game. The addition of the G-League hasn’t hurt college basketball. The G-League is better basketball than NCAA basketball yet no one watches it. People don’t watch the college game because it is the best. No one believes it is the best league. And I don’t think people are going to watch a four team league that has high school kids who couldn’t make the G-League being ran by coaches fired for poor performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocCas86 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 I agree that we are adding a bit more competition to basketball schedule from WKU. MTSU has had some success a few years back but they are not currently expected to be that good. I wonder if they go to a 19 game conference schedule, where split into divisions, playing six teams in our division twice and in other division once, so only play WKU and MTSU once a year. Here is top 5 teams based on average of the last five years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchcountry7 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 40 minutes ago, DocCas86 said: I agree that we are adding a bit more competition to basketball schedule from WKU. MTSU has had some success a few years back but they are not currently expected to be that good. I wonder if they go to a 19 game conference schedule, where split into divisions, playing six teams in our division twice and in other division once, so only play WKU and MTSU once a year. Here is top 5 teams based on average of the last five years. I don't think they will play an odd number of conference games. My guess is that each team will play everyone in the conference once. (13 games) Then there will be 7 or 5 teams that you plat a second time. Probably based on geography to cut down on travel. So probably something like this for us for one year (next year would be inverse of locations): Play at Home only (4) - Western Kentucky, Northern Illinois, Western Michigan, Bowling Green Play Away only (4) - Middle Tennessee State, Eastern Michigan, Ball State, Central Michigan Play Twice Home and Away (5 teams, 10 games) - Akron, Kent State, Ohio, Toledo, Miami This would be an 18 game schedule. I am not sure if the teams would prefer 20 or 18 moving forward. Just made the change to 20. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee4three Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 It increases the Macs chances of becoming a 2 bid league. Now you will have 5 teams that seemingly do well ranking wise year in year out in Ub,Ohio,Toledo, Akron and wky And really 3 that have been top mid majors recently in ub ohio and wky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocCas86 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, dutchcountry7 said: I don't think they will play an odd number of conference games. My guess is that each team will play everyone in the conference once. (13 games) Then there will be 7 or 5 teams that you plat a second time. Probably based on geography to cut down on travel. So probably something like this for us for one year (next year would be inverse of locations): Play at Home only (4) - Western Kentucky, Northern Illinois, Western Michigan, Bowling Green Play Away only (4) - Middle Tennessee State, Eastern Michigan, Ball State, Central Michigan Play Twice Home and Away (5 teams, 10 games) - Akron, Kent State, Ohio, Toledo, Miami This would be an 18 game schedule. I am not sure if the teams would prefer 20 or 18 moving forward. Just made the change to 20. A 20 game schedule would be 3 away only / 3 home only and 7 home/away. I guess this means they won't be divisions. Also will be interesting to see if they keep just top 8 for conference championship or re-introduce byes. Getting ahead of things a bit I know Edited November 1, 2021 by DocCas86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promotherobot Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Pretty sad. https://footballscoop.com/news/conference-usa-adding-liberty-jacksonville-state-new-mexico-state-sam-houston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocCas86 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, promotherobot said: Pretty sad. https://footballscoop.com/news/conference-usa-adding-liberty-jacksonville-state-new-mexico-state-sam-houston Is this combined with potential payday, enough to keep WKU and MTSU in CUSA? I have seen on their fan sites that some would prefer to stay put, get money and invest in program. Edited November 5, 2021 by DocCas86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB05 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Liberty is a bigger name, but they come with a lot of political baggage. Do the other teams even have DI football? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee4three Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 3 of the additions will probably head to the sun belt when there is an opening if given a choice in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchcountry7 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 1 hour ago, UB05 said: Liberty is a bigger name, but they come with a lot of political baggage. Do the other teams even have DI football? Sam Houston State won the FCS championship last year. They are a legit program. Currently Undefeated and ranked #1 in FCS. 2020 Sam Houston State Bearkats football team - Wikipedia Jacksonville State just beat Florida State this year. They are having a down year this year but were in the 2015 FCS National Championship game. They are a solid fan following--averaged 17,000 fans in 2019 and 2020. For comparison, we averaged 18,000 in attendance in 2020 and 16,000 in 2019. New Mexico State gives UTEP a local school which is good for travel for the non-football sports. Travel out in one trip and play each of them in a conference game all while adding another FBS football school. NMSU is a good basketball program too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchcountry7 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Tee4three said: 3 of the additions will probably head to the sun belt when there is an opening if given a choice in my opinion And they will pay the exit fee to CUSA and the CUSA will survive in the interim. I don't see that as a risk. I am not sure if I make the move to the MAC if I am MTSU or WKY. Saving on travel is the real benefit. But CUSA may provide more revenue, I am not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dutchcountry7 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 50 minutes ago, DocCas86 said: CUSA is going to give MTSU more money because they have the exit fees and entrance fees being paid. Sounds like MTSU wants some financial assistance from the MAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeseph Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 12 hours ago, Gxtrex said: Well that de-escalated quickly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gxtrex Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 33 minutes ago, Jeseph said: Well that de-escalated quickly... Looks like MTSU wants to stay to collect CUSA exit fees? I am sure we will get more details soon. Hopefully we can get WKU along with someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C1ubP1fanaticM7 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 12 hours ago, Gxtrex said: Wow. How quickly things change. Although, I don’t believe the additions make a huge difference for the MAC, I was still excited for some change. I wouldn’t doubt if this comes back around and there’s a report that the MAC will in fact be adding them. Information is flying around too quickly. Seems like these are negotiation tactics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB05 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I’d be happy with both teams especially in basketball, but it wouldn’t do anything to help the MAC’s reputation as being the conference of directional states lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eanil Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) https://twitter.com/ToddoHam/status/1458135288711204866?s=20 Same guy/source that said it was dead and no interest now saying they’re meeting to discuss it today. Doesn’t seem like there’s any credibility to his source- someone probably with a little knowledge just taking their best guess. Edited November 9, 2021 by eanil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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