Big 4 Hoops Blogger

30 minutes ago, Big 4 Hoops Blogger said:

This isn’t official but sounds like the 3-seed is no longer in play.

From what I’m hearing, it looks like UB can be the 2-seed with a win and Ohio loss

They should be the 4-seed with a win, Ohio win and Akron loss.

Everything else results in a 5-seed.

Disregard earlier note about 3-seed.

Just discussed another possibility. Assuming Buffalo wins, if Ohio wins and Akron loses, UB should get the 3-seed with Ohio at 2, Kent State at 4 and Akron at 5.

Just now, Kevin said:

Total cluster by the MAC on this. Hearing that schools don't even know where they stand heading into the final games. 

I'm super unsure how they could have been the 3 going into the Toledo game, but not have the chance to be the three again with an Ohio or Akron loss. 

Yep, I’m still looking for definitive answers. I wouldn’t rule out anything at the moment.

This isn’t official but sounds like the 3-seed is no longer in play.

From what I’m hearing, it looks like UB can be the 2-seed with a win and Ohio loss

They should be the 4-seed with a win, Ohio win and Akron loss.

Everything else results in a 5-seed.

57 minutes ago, skrabukes said:

It's embarrassing that a league would allow such guesswork to occur with the unbalanced schedules and one team missing a game. If the above scenario is the case, this game on Friday is somewhat meaningless now, at least in regards to seeding.

I mean, I don't understand how a team (akron) could be a full game behind (ohio, kent in this scenario) and be considered "tied". UB being 1/2 game behind but "tied" is foolish also, but it was how it was laid out last week. The full game is dumb though as that clearly is not equal to at least ohio/kent.

I don’t know exactly what’s going on 100% but the no contest rules have made this more complicated than necessary. They should’ve stayed with winning percentage. Would’ve been unfair to UB but a much simpler solution or they could’ve tried harder to reschedule the CMU game. They had the entire conference schedule to do so. I understand worries about fatigue and lack of availability but this is a mess right now.

Just now, Big 4 Hoops Blogger said:

According to Wolff, the no contest rule works both ways so a 13-5 UB team would be tied with a 14-5 MAC team and a 13-6 MAC team which is why it gets confusing heading into Friday.

Main issue being, is UB currently 5th because a tiebreaker with Akron or are they 5th due to a 3-way tiebreaker with Akron and Ohio, which would be completely unfair to Ohio since they’re a full game ahead of Akron in the standings.

Either way, I’m not sure how UB can move up if Akron wins on Friday.

Issue being, if the Zips and UB win, that could potentially trigger a 4-way tiebreaker with Kent State, Ohio, UB and Akron.

Ohio would be 3-2, Kent would be 3-3, Akron would be 2-3 and UB would be 2-2.

So in that scenario, UB would be a 4 taking on Akron.

if they don’t do the 4 way tiebreaker though, UB would have a tiebreaker against Akron and lose that to be the 5.

I haven’t gone beyond that but I’m guessing for UB to not be in the 4/5 game, they need Akron to lose to CMU and they have to beat Kent State.

1 hour ago, skrabukes said:

Ub is 13-5, akron is 13-6. I thought they were basing seeding on number of losses?

According to Wolff, the no contest rule works both ways so a 13-5 UB team would be tied with a 14-5 MAC team and a 13-6 MAC team which is why it gets confusing heading into Friday.

Main issue being, is UB currently 5th because a tiebreaker with Akron or are they 5th due to a 3-way tiebreaker with Akron and Ohio, which would be completely unfair to Ohio since they’re a full game ahead of Akron in the standings.

UB/Toledo Postgame Show

This is the first real opportunity for a lively home crowd since before COVID. Big-time opponent with something on the line on a night honoring the Bulls senior class. There’s no excuse for it not being a great atmosphere tonight. Kent State and Ohio were before students came back and we didn’t get to host Akron this year. Those all hurt the overall vibe at Alumni Arena but tonight should be different.

25 minutes ago, DooleyBull06 said:

I hope Alumni is sold out. Would be nice for the guys to have a rowdy vocal crowd behind them.

Im not expecting a sellout but it should be a solid crowd. 4,500-5,000 would be my minimum expectation.

As I posted in another thread, there appears to still be a scenario in which Buffalo can win the MAC and get the top seed.

UB would need to:

-Win out against Toledo/Kent State

-Have Ohio lose one of final two games

-Have Kent State win on Tuesday against NIU

That would set up a situation in which UB is tied with Toledo. In that scenario, they would split the head-to-head. Next tiebreaker would be record against next highest ranked opponent. That’s where Kent State comes in. If Kent State is 3rd, UB would win that tiebreaker. If Ohio is 3rd, Toledo would win the tiebreaker.

If wrong, please correct me but that’s what some of us concluded after looking into scenarios earlier. It’s unlikely but possible.

13 minutes ago, DooleyBull06 said:

Either way…you can immediately see the difference between being a 3 seed as opposed to the 4/5. On paper easier first matchup and then a vulnerable Ohio team in the semi. But be careful what you wish for right lol

Ohio is weird. They’re vulnerable but they also just killed CMU by 26 after they almost upset Toledo and before they nearly took down Kent State.

I still think any of the top five seeds are capable of winning the MAC Tournament this year.

You guys might want to check me on this but I believe this is correct.

14 hours ago, DooleyBull06 said:

Agree. Especially about Sears. See my hot take on the other thread. 

Toledo has been the consistent team.

Kent, UB and Akron are trending up. 

Ohio trending downward. 

Cleveland is gonna be nuts. 

The crazy part about Cleveland is that you can throw away the entire regular season. Your points are 100% correct but all it takes is one team to get hot and make a run. Playing in a NBA arena changes things for college athletes.

37 minutes ago, UBinMD said:

Ohio might be in trouble on this one 

Ohio might be in trouble beyond tonight. Teams have figured out how to contain Mark Sears and they're struggling mightily against the top teams in the conference. (where have I heard that before?) They'll need to figure things out soon or they'll have a tough time making a run in Cleveland.

Bulls are dominating tonight! Hemphill having a strong night!

9 minutes ago, Slim said:

What if Toledo and Ohio both lose one more game ... and either the Bulls/Kent win out? That's a three-way tie for first. Can Bulls be No. 1 via tiebreaker!!!!!

The issue for UB is that they’ll play one less game so they would need Toledo and Ohio to both lose two more games in addition to Buffalo winning out.

Not trying to start another fire but this is proof that the metrics do matter to head coaches. The way you win plays a role in your efficiency ratings which determines how opponents and analysts view your team. While I don’t think they’re something to obsess over, there’s validity that this goes beyond just seeding purposes for the NCAA Tournament.

27 minutes ago, DooleyBull06 said:

I think you are correct. It comes down to win percentage. As I was looking at remaining schedules Kent St has 3 games left. 2 easy ones then us. Based on all this, barring upsets across the conference and us winning out I think it’s safe to say we are locked into the 4/5 game and route. 

It really comes down to can UB win out? If they can, the 3 will most likely be their seed. If they lose just ons game, they’ll most likely be the 4.