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8 minutes ago, rma said:

This is why it should be stressed to recruits to go to the program for the school/history not the coaches.  Coaches get hired/fired all the time.  Though with the way NCAA football is working now we practically have free agency so I guess who cares any more.

That only works if the Administration is dedicated to maintaining UB style of play in our sports. If you're a run and gun wing, and we hire a coach who wants to play through the post...you should leave. If you're a speed WR and your air raid coach leaves and a triple option coach comes in, you better transfer.

Stability starts at the top, flows through the coach and to the players and recruits. 

3 minutes ago, dutchcountry7 said:

I am talking about Hodgson.

Everyone is saying he should be the head coach because he spent all the time out on the recruiting trail building relationships with recruits.  But he hasn't had any experience running a program or being a coach. 

I think it's the classic Experience vs Youth Energy.

My assumption is whoever doesn't get the HC job goes to Bama.

My criteria is
1) Who has the best chance of saving the team tomorrow (Hodgson - if he's the recruiting grinder, i'd rather he grind for UB than Bama)
2) Who has the most upside (Whitesell - Hodgson's can go either way, so Whitesell's experience helps here)
3) Who do we have the best chance at retaining (Toss up: Whitesell is a journeyman, but he's 59 might be looking to finish his career somewhere rather than chase P5 at the first chance. That said, his whole career he never got a chance to go P5 so maybe he grabs the first offer he gets. Hodgson is from the area, so maybe he stays and builds a WNY powerhouse, or maybe he wants the P5 glory he didnt get as a player and leaves at the first offer)

My tiebreak goes to Hodgson. We've been D1 for 20 years, if a twelve-year old learned to love UB Basketball after going to the Sea of Blue I and II games would be 27 years old now. We have to start utilizing local talented guys. 

Gonzaga is not really a money story.

They eventually upgraded their facility, they just upgraded their practice facilities. They had to shake down the WCC cause they cannot generate any more money.

But their coach makes 1.37 million and is happy to stay. That's the difference and that's what we had a chance to have if it wasn't about the money.

This is kinda like making your QB the #1 paid QB in the NFL, then blaming your GM for not following the "patriot way" because they signed a star DE....one of the major reasons for the Patriot's success, is Tom Brady repeatedly takes pay cuts ... you also have guys like Gronk who would rather retire than play for more money elsewhere...

Money helps, but It's not about the money.

4 minutes ago, everlast2504 said:

Gotta agree if he left for a true Blue Blood, I would have been much happier about this. If the ULNV story is true its more than 1.6 million. 

We also have to look at the other side. What if the 'promise' of a dedicated basketball facility was all smoke and mirrors? 

I've been beating the drum but a legitimate Master Facilities Plan > Promises > "hear no evil, see no evil about our facilities"

Charlotte just hired HOK to do their 10-15 year master plan, as always HOK is going to put together something beautiful and inspiring, and we need to do the same...AND we now have a free 750K to pay HOK.

A lotttttt of pressure on ADMA.

The ADMA resume:

• Inherited the best combined season of FB-MBK-WBK in UB history and it's not even close.
• He inherited a fieldhouse. 
• He signed Oats.
  • He failed to retain Oats

His biggest accomplishment is now taken away, so this hire is everything. (Unless he uses bulletpoint 1 and bulletpoint 2 to get out of dodge once AD jobs start opening up in May)

2 minutes ago, rma said:

Yep, wish him nothing but luck at Alabama.

I'm mostly just disappointed he didn't take a better job. As much as I hate UCLA, I think that would have been great for Oats, and great for our profile as a coach went from HS to UB to a top 15 job in the nation.

I think Oats proved more than Hurley, and I think he ended up in a worse situation...hopefully he got more money, but never seemed like he was in it for the money...

2 minutes ago, rma said:

Yep, wish him nothing but luck at Alabama.

I'm mostly just disappointed he didn't take a better job. As much as I hate UCLA, I think that would have been great for Oats, and great for our profile as a coach went from HS to UB to a top 15 job in the nation.

I think Oats proved more than Hurley, and I think he ended up in a worse situation...hopefully he got more money, but never seemed like he was in it for the money...

Steal Boals from Ohio. Experience in SUNY...show Ohio and Stony who's boss.

Lock this thread. Time for celebration is over. PANIC

I got the first word in, cause I was literally writing a "no tempting job exists for Oats" post. He's from Wisconsin, I did not think he'd go deep south.

Oh well if history holds and his successor exceeds him 4 years later, I hopefully look forward to Hodgson beating Oats' Tide in the 2023 2nd round to get *back* to the Sweet 16.

ALABAMA?

1 hour ago, rma said:

If somebody doubled my salary (after an already 30%ish raise) and moved me out to a state without income tax for the same job, I'd be there next day.  Good thing I am not in charge of this program.

UNLV is historically good enough to have a bunch of influential donors, but not good enough to be a quick fix. It's not a great job at any price.

Gonzaga went to the elite 8 as a 10 seed, then the sweet sixteen as a 10 seed, then the sweet sixteen as a 12 seed. They finally broke through with an amazing regular season and earned a 6 seed....and they lost in the first round to 11 seed Wyoming.

It happens. Still proud of our work, and upbeat...for as good as our recruiting has been, we're still wayyyyyy behind nationally, which to me means we are great at developing players. Our national recruiting rank over the past 4 years averaged (247) 115, and yet that team finished the year at #15, so we got our team to perform 100 spots better than they should....

If we end up ranked #75 for the 2019 class, our last 3 classes will have averaged #80...with our development, we could be legitimately top 10. 

Hurley brought the winning attitude we needed, the one that didnt try to win by 1, (and therefore opened us up to crushing upset after crushing fluke upset) and we became a team that tried to win by 50.

Everything I saw this week was about how Oats and Hurley share the high compete level, although Oats isn't as demonstrative as Hurley, they both want to win big all the time. We owe Hurley big for teaching us how to win and bringing winners, especially Oats, to Buffalo.

As brook said extremely soul selling long.

no protection...but it seems the negotiation pivoted on a better deal with the grant of rights or worse without.

2024/2025 I think is when all the P5 agreements are up. Every team wants to be ready if they get the call.

I assume after using the G5 to analyze success in driving ESPN+ membership, they’ll offer the P5 a kickback for ESPN+ games and raise the price. Get the SEC on ESPN+, raise the price to $10/month, give the SEC $1 per viewer... ESPN gets more subscribers and more revenue, SEC gets more revenue, G5 gets nothing and fans will pay

which...I guess does open the door for any G5 program that is able to deliver ESPN+ eyeballs, we can’t be doing too shabby in that area

4 hours ago, 121Merrimac said:

I just heard that the NCAA pays for chartered flights for all teams to get to their games.  Can that be true?

Effectively true. Travel party for ncaa is 100 (I think) and there is basically only 24 hours from finding out where you’re going to departure so easier to just buy the plane

7 million a year.

No grant of rights

Most games on ESPN+ 

Seems like they traded ESPN+ for majority of football on Saturday.

Some football and basketball on ESPN, ESPN2 & ESPNU and they can do a separate deal with CBS for some Basketball games.

My take...lower than I thought, probably because of that grant of rights. Yet, still high enough to want in...not sure if additional teams would dilute the pot, or if ESPN would pay more to keep each team at 7 million...

Football Championship - Host site top seed.
Pro: we'd have a shot at hosting.
Con: Not Neutral, and you can't plan your travel in advance (although you really can't anyway if you're waiting on UB to clinch) 

Men's Basketball Championship - Fort Worth, TX.
Pro: Southwest hub. Maybe more accessible for NYCers, might be more convenient for students on spring break
Cons: far away, no last minute trips, not drive able

Women's Basketball Championship - Mohegan Sun
Pro: Close to NYC
Cons: Not combined with the men, UConn home court advantage

Those three are pretty good reasons for me to be against going to the American...but we'd have to sell our Men's Basketball season ticket for $1,178/seat to make the revenue AAC teams are going to get from this TV deal... and the level of competition would go up...I don't know... 

On 3/17/2019 at 2:10 AM, rma said:

I was very disappointed that they didn’t show replays of fouls

The only replays they showed, were big dunks while the play was still happening. We had replay reviews of 60 secs+ with no replay. That was infuriating. Classic MAC.

On 3/18/2019 at 5:20 AM, ChubbyHubby said:

When Brock went to inbound the ball, he realized there was no guard there when he turned.  When he hesitated on the inbound pass, he stepped forward a bit an had his foot clearly on the line.  Too obvious to let it go. 

In my recollection there was a BG player out of bounds, as Brock started to inbound, he came from behind Brock to try to deflect a pass, Brock I think took a step, and recoiled, and that step got called....should have been a T on the BG player.

All in all this will be one of my most treasured weeks of my life. I moved to Hawaii the Summer before the first UB Championship, so from watching alone with my wife not understanding why I'm so emotional about exorcising the demons of 2005 and every year after that, to being there with my wife and a large contingent of UB fans. My plan was to get out more and meet some more people, but I was just drained by the emotion of each game, (although it was nice to catch up with RMA again)

Went to the Cleveland Museum of Art between the women's and men's semis...it was amazing, and I'm not a museum or an art guy, wife dragged me, but it was fun I recommend it.

On 3/19/2019 at 5:54 AM, DooleyBull06 said:

What we can’t have is a disengaged Perkins. His actions at the end of the BG were unbecoming of a senior. We need him focused and not in foul trouble. 

I like angry technical Perkins. Worst time to take one, worst situation (4 fouls), but if there is one guy who isn't happy to just be up by 6, it's Perk we need that edge.

In scheduling, it takes two to tango.

The question to me would be are there good games that UB is saying NO to? I assume no. If that assumption is true, then there is little that can be done to improve scheduling outside of putting more money into it. At this point, I'd rather money be put into facilities. I'm OK with UB going 30+ wins against inferior opponents while still putting better and better UB teams on the court for a while until we get our facilities right.

2 hours ago, promotherobot said:

I didn't see anyone from UBfan after the game. Are you guys hanging out at So.Tier? I stopped there after the game last night. Then I went across the street to Panini's just to check it out. Big mistake. It seems the Trainwreck partly was more of a frat house kegger. I'm too old for that crap.

We need internet fan name tags. I don’t know who anyone is

Valparaiso (1995-96 thru 1999-00)

During Run:

• Record: 111-50 (68.94%)
• NCAA Appearances: 5
• NCAA record: 2-5
• Coaches:
  • Homer Drew
• Attendance
  • Average: 3,939
  • Increase over period: 3.94%

Five years after the Run:

• Record: 102-56 (64.56%)
• NCAA Appearances: 2
• NCAA record: 0-2
• Coaches:
  • Scott Drew, replaced Homer Drew who resigned
  • Homer Drew, returned to coach after Scott Drew left after 1 year to coach at Baylor 
• Attendance
  • Average: 4,263
  • Increase over previous 5 year period: 8.21%

Overall

• Facility upgrade 
  • Arena: none
  • Practice Facility: none
• Conference Change
  • From Mid Continent to the Horizon league in 2007-08 (12 years after the start of their run)
  • From Horizon league to Missouri Valley in 2017-18 (22 years after the start of their run)

6 hours ago, promotherobot said:

Honestly, it feels low. I figured a cool $1MM/yr.

I am afraid of the cool 1 MM cause you still have to go incentives on top of that...

so 837 + 150k for winning regular season and the tourney is 987k close enough to that million....

I also assume they intentionally came in under the 21% Trump excise tax on non-profit employees making 1MM+ 

1 hour ago, 121Merrimac said:

Halftime!  Go Bulls!

edit: observation C) Wow, the overall support for UB!   All blue behind one bench/basket.  All Kent/Miami/empty seats behind the other bench/basket.  

they sat the Akron fans across the court from the Akron bench... so I guess on TV it looked like they didnt show up, but they had a decent crowd....not a great crowd for a school just down the road however...

it was funny they got pretty loud when Akron made a run, but by made a run it was made a basket to get within 15 

Figure he gets a 1/12 bonus for reg season mac champ
and 1/12 bonus for postseason mac champ
 

833 + 69.5 + 69.5 = 972k a year if they take care of business. Not bad