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6 hours ago, dutchcountry7 said:

Are you saying that Hurley would have performed as well as Oats if he had stayed at Buffalo?

Hurley is a good coach and if he stays, we keep Nate as top assistant, so I assume we'd be better. So yes I think Hurley would have performed as well or better if he stayed...

5 minutes ago, 121Merrimac said:

What good are performance based incentives, if you’re given a raise every year?   For me, it’s one or the other, not both. 

I agree, the issue to me seems to be that people don't think out their performance based incentives and I don't think they budget properly for them...

Fresno (https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/marek-warszawski/article222053650.html) did a good job with intentional incentives, but they are paying Tedford a bunch... 

5 hours ago, JoeyRattlesnake said:

Yeah, I'm not sure why the infatuation with moving to the AAC. 

MAC makes 833k annually per school.

AAC deal is up, they could make as much as 20 million annually per school and are not expected to make less than 10 million annually per school.

Less games in Ohio, more games in our Student-Alumni footprint.

Long trips to fun destinations: Houston, Dallas, New Orleans, Orlando, Tampa, Carolina Coast, Philly, Memphis...

4 hours ago, dutchcountry7 said:

Yes.

It isn't edgy.  You think it is easier to win at Wichita State than Nebraska?  If Gregg Marshall were at Nebraska he would have more success than at Wichita State.

The same is true of Gonzaga, Butler, and Buffalo.

Elite coaches are held back by these teams.  They also have safe jobs and fans are more forgiving.

Explain Hurley. More resources in a down PAC 12 with UB's best player, and UB lost their 2nd best player to discipline, and somehow Oats has out preformed him every year at UB.

 Did hodge get injured? he had a slow 1st 40 and no 2nd 40.

1) invest in football
2) maintain basketball
3) ??????
4) Profit.

We lose 2 fall to 25. Marquette loses a million falls to 23.

While this has veered into a convo about investment it is interesting that it took Gonzaga 10 years and 24 years to invest in upgrades to their facilities.

Few only makes 1.4 million/year.

so Gonzaga didn’t do it by throwing money at it...

4 minutes ago, rma said:

All sports lose money IIRC.  But football takes in a lot more than the others.  Dropping football would case huge title IX problems too.

Football attendance 2018: 110,280. 
Basketball attendance 2018-19: 74,054

7 hours ago, UBFan99 said:

Stop wasting time and money on a football program than can’t even win the MAC and invest everything you got in hoops. The market is better for that too. Strive to be Gonzaga, Villlanova. Etc. 

Villanova has football.

3 hours ago, McBulls said:

Also, add one: SIU 01-02 through 06-07.

So I focused on "new money" teams who's runs were from their first or second NCAA tourney appearance. By 01-02, SIU had already gone to the Dance 4 times. But your over-arching point is valid, it's hard and what can we do to prevent this from losing steam.

2 hours ago, BrooklynBull said:

There was no conference change because they do not play football.  All of the conference moves of late have been football related.

Gonzaga flirted with Mountain West as a Basketball only, that's really the only outlet they have without going somewhere with crazy travel. The MW is all in on it, but Gonzaga is not. They have a pretty good thing going being the huge fish in a small pond, and by publicly flirting with the MW they got the WCC to give them more $ and security (i.e. the double bye)

2 hours ago, UBminicre said:

But for me, being patient and picking the perfect time to make monumental moves is why I got to where I am today, not because I took shortsighted paydays that were presented to me many times in my career.

The other side of the patience thing that sometimes gets overlooked... to us Nate is a 4 year coach "early" in his career. To Oats, he has been patiently coaching and building his career for 22 years. If you look at it from his side, why would he wait?

Buffalo (2014-15 thru 2018-19)

During Run:

• Record: 115-52 (68.86%)
• NCAA Appearances: 3 
• NCAA record: 1-3
• Coaches:
  • Bobby Hurley, went to ASU after 2014-15
  • Nate Oats, Top Assistant under Hurley
• Attendance
  • Average: 3,898
  • Increase over period: 45.35%

Overall

• Facility upgrade 
  • Arena: N/A
  • Practice Facility: N/A
• Conference Change
  • None

Gonzaga (1994-95 thru 1998-1999)

During Run:

• Record: 109-47 (69.87%)
• NCAA Appearances: 2
• NCAA record: 3-2
• Coaches:
  • Dan Fitzgerald, Retired after 1996-97
  • Dan Monson, Top Assistant under Fitzgerald, went to Minnesota after 1998-99
• Attendance
  • Average: 3,428
  • Increase over period: 5.27%

Five years after the Run:

• Record: 133-32 (80.61%)
• NCAA Appearances: 5
• NCAA record: 6-5
• Coaches:
  • Mark Few, Top Assistant under Monson
• Attendance
  • Average: 4,240
  • Increase over previous 5 year period: 23.69%

Overall

• Facility upgrade 
  • Arena: 2004 (10 years after start of run)
  • Practice Facility: 2018 (24 years after start of run)
• Conference Change
  • None

I wanted to try to map out the Gonzaga path to see if we could learn anything.

Over a 5 seasons period starting with the team's first or second all-time NCAA tourney appearance (since 1995):

• over 105 wins
• over 65% win pct
• At least 2 NCAA tourney appearances
• At least 1 NCAA Tourney win
• Mid-Major program

9 Teams fit the bill.

Gonzaga (1994-95 thru 1998-99)
Valparaiso (1995-96 thru 1999-00)
Butler (1996-97 thru 2000-01)
College of Charleston (1996-97 thru 2000-01)
Kent State (1998-99 thru 2002-03)
Harvard (2011-12 thru 2015-16)
Florida Gulf Coast (2012-13 thru 2016-17)
Stephen F. Austin (2013-14 thru 2017-18)
Buffalo (2014-15 thru 2018-19)

1 hour ago, xDerekRx said:

The double bye was great but I think the current format honestly is pretty fair. It looks more balanced in general visually. Go win 3 more games... helps CJ get scoring record as well 🙂

Some conferences, like the WCC have some crazy weird looking brackets like 8 seed needs to win 4 games to get to final. Gonzaga needs  1.

I might actually be able to make the Thursday game. I like the noon time. You could in theory be back in Buffalo 7 or sooner

WCC specifically changed their tournament to keep Gonzaga from going to the Mountain West

San Fran strugggling late in their quarterfinal game

Cuse loses to Clemson

Marquette sucks now

WVU finishes dead last in Big 12...

a little help guys?

11. Purdue - loss at minn, win at northwestern 
12. Houston - win vs SMU, at Cincy
13. Kansas - loss at Oklahoma, win vs Baylor
14. FSU - win vs VaTech, win at Wake
15. VaTech - Loss at FSU, win vs Miami
16. Marquette - loss at seton hall, loss vs georgetown
17. Nevada - win at Air Force, vs SDSU
18. K-State - win at TCU, vs Oklahoma
19. Buffalo - win at Ohio, win vs BGSU
20. Cincy - loss at UCF, vs Houston

We should jump Marquette to get to 18, how will voters view bad losses by Purdue, Kansas and VaTech? If not favorably we could get as high as 15.

Miami +32 or Akron (+19) who do we want?

I think the CMU women split the vote and CD wins...

I'm gonna go with TB better than CJ. CJ better cast, better offense, better teams, but it's TB individually.

Ohio wins!

OHIO up 5, threw the ball away, Miami hits a 3.

Then Ohio falls on the next inbound traveling is called, but the Ohio coach called timeout before the inbound pass.

My god they are trying to lose this.

2 hours ago, Kevin said:

A three-point win and much of that game were not to S16 standards. The defense was really bad and I think most of these game thread reflects that. I personally think we are just catching up to the fans of major teams. Go visit an ACC board and its similar. 

Survive and advance season...

Duke by 1 at home against a team 7 games under .500 (yea no zion, but we have a banged up CJ and had no Jordan for a lot of the game)

Kentucky by 4 over Ole Miss
Purdue lost to Minnesota
Kansas lost by 13 to Oklahoma
LSU is struggling at Florida right now
Marquette is in a free fall

finally we're in just win baby season. If we win 8 more by a total of 8 points we'll all be happy.

CMU gonna win,

Ohio up 2

UB up

Does that mean?

1 CMU
2 Ohio
3 UB
4 Miami

Also I think you have to acknowledge that they are freshmen playing against a team that is 150% prepared for the toughest game of their season. Outside of the first Ohio and the first Toledo, every MAC school has played us at a higher level...(you go back and watch those teams play and you're like how did they even stay in our atmosphere?)

The good part about that is I think when you get to year 2 and 3 of these guys, they've have never played a game where the intensity level wasn't at 11. So they know they have to be at a 12 at all times. So when they are starting 5 guys, the intensity and the work is there.