UB85

He will forever now be known as Badnews.

I would hope an evaluation or re evaluation is an ongoing process. Firing though is not an option now. But I dare say for the program to get anywhere near the level it was the last five years this is a hugely important off season for recruiting and player development. Two down years where we aren’t a factor in the MAC will hit our recruiting in a big way. 
 

6 minutes ago, UB05 said:

If you fire every first year coach after a 20 win season there won’t be any coaches left for you to hire. 

1 hour ago, dutchcountry7 said:

You seriously think UB could have kept Oats?

He didn’t even give UB a chance.  Blindsided everyone leaving. 

Of course I do. It makes no difference now though.  Just many dropped the ball. And it is also why all this talk about a different conference is a pipe dream. Too many of the movers and shakers unwilling to step forward and up and too many who think it just cannot be done. 

9 minutes ago, UB05 said:

Wouldn’t have mattered, Oats was leaving. He basically said as much, I remember the quote being something like him telling Alnutt  “someone is going to offer me stupid money” and of course they did. There’s a wide gap between a million dollars and 2.5 million, and there’s no chance we’d be able to bridge that 

Widely shared but incorrect opinion. Regardless it remains a missed opportunity to capitalize on that success. 

2 hours ago, dutchcountry7 said:

Oats was offered a contract valued at $837k and contingent on the school being able to raise $225k to fund it. 

Alnut before extending the offer got the ok from Tripathi who said you can offer anything you want but you’ll have to cover anything over 600k. Alnut then spoke to one or two big donors to make sure he’d be able to cover and then made the offer. I wish Alnut was prescient enough to seize the moment because I know tremendous amounts more could have been raised at that time utilizing the team’s historic success along with a vision of raising the profile of UB hoops. 

22 minutes ago, BrooklynBull said:

Last I looked there is a brand new field house right next to the stadium.

If you want the other things for UB, then step up and make them happen: https://ubfoundation.buffalo.edu/giving/index.php?

That does absolutely nothing for the student body and doesn’t take away any traffic away from AA which should be a 24/7 haven for hoops. It’s great for football. It was long viewed as a necessity. Glad it happened. Thank you Murch! But it doesn’t solve hoop related matters. 

4 hours ago, squire17 said:

Dayton is a basketball school and has been for decades and decades before UB. The A10 and the MWC have been ranked among the top 10 conferences for the most part over the past 20 years. The MAC has been ranked in the top 10 twice in the past 24 years.  I’m not sure what their coaches earn, but it probably dwarfs what UB pays Whitesell. In the last game at Dayton over 13000 fans were in attendance, at San Diego St there were over 10000. You can not remotely put UB in the same class as those two programs at this point. And should UB remain in the MAC, it will never achieve the status of either as far as basketball is concerned. By the way, there were 3700+ fans at Alumni Arena tonight to cheer on the women’s and men’s teams.

100% spot on. Further complicating the vision of Oats and White, and this gentleman’s why not question, is the failure, unwillingness, lack of vision, inability and/or can’t do attitude of UB its administration, athletics mentality and/or its boosters to step out and embrace the vision and change in attitude White brought to UB athletics and Oats seized upon and showed that it could be done. Glaring example is the total failure to build a first rate field house which has been a wish list item and a necessity for at least 20 years. To me it is inexplicable that it hasn’t already been done. UB athletics needs it. The student body needs it. 

I think the best way to describe tonight’s performance was the return of Reggie ball.  The great thing about the Oats’ years is that we beat the teams we should. We sustained some real head scratching losses including tonight. After having been the team defeating higher ranked teams the last several years tonight was a bitter loss. 
 
The pressure is really on for next year if we hope to reclaim a top spot in the MAC. 

28 minutes ago, Ubbulls84 said:

He is trash I’m glad only 1 year of him. All this talk about how good he was in my mind a huge disappointment. He might have had like 3 good games all year. 

He isn’t trash. But he certainly proved to be overhyped from the pre season prognostication. 

28 minutes ago, Ivantheturrible said:

I disagree, if we keep all our recruits and no one transfers out, I’d say on paper it’s the best team we’ve had. I like Williams development along with Segus and I’m high on the two freshman we have coming in. Plus Skogman. I’m excited about next years team, if everyone stays of course. 

So we‘ll be better than top 15 in the country next year?

8 minutes ago, DooleyBull06 said:

Now the offense has disappeared 

Playing one on one basketball is not an offense. 

Buffalo’s defense is atrocious! I’d like to see points in the paint stats for the half. Our offense is just as bad. No rhyme or reason to it other than dribble and try and beat your man. Absolutely no sense of team basketball. 

5 minutes ago, Jeseph said:

Big words!

May as well dream big. And bullieve!

4 minutes ago, skrabukes said:

Jordan, wow

Explain please!

I’m five time zones away. Following as closely as I can. LETS GO EFFING BOYS!!!!!! 

23 hours ago, Ubbulls84 said:

He goes down as arguably the best pg in UB history. If he finds a way to lead us to third Mac championship in a row, I don’t think it would be much of an argument as I’d have to give it to him!

 

He is without a doubt the most successful pg in UB history. But hard to place him above Turner Battle. But I’d go with you if he plays his best basketball of the season and leads the team to three or four straight wins and another Big Dance appearance. 

7 hours ago, DocCas86 said:

You are absolutely right that their is real possibility for second guessing to occur and it would be naive of me to think otherwise.  On paper, we have the best recruiting class in MAC that will play a huge role in how the team does during time with team, we have a good young core that you hope will improve each year.  You have a coach who has opportunity to do the same. So being best in MAC is still very much alive.

Well said!

8 hours ago, DocCas86 said:

In addition not really useful to worry about.  The role they are expected to play is unchanged based on how we did this year.  They should be a big part of the team and their performance as part of that team will determine how many NCAA tournaments we get to while they are here. Seems like enough to stick with their commitment.

You’re right. Whatever happens is beyond our control. However it would be naive to think recruits might not have second thoughts if they perceive the trajectory of the program is not heading in the direction they perceived when they signed. Then again it might be as you suggest that they won’t have any doubt and remain committed because they’ll have a lot of opportunity. 

On 3/1/2020 at 5:05 AM, BullBoy said:

Not disagreeing here, but doesn't alot of this fall on Oats and Hodgson.  Nate maybe always knew he was out after this past season and didn't really do a very good job setting this team up for long-term success.  If we want Jim to build this team into his group, that takes time.  So for us to have 18 wins in a season with no leaders and maybe a team that doesn't fit with Jim's style of coaching is actually pretty impressive.

Really? Oats has what was perceived as a top notch recruiting class.  He built teams in far more difficult circumstances than faced the program after his departure. 

On 3/1/2020 at 1:28 PM, Tee4three said:

It shouldn't be an issue if someone is upset at the hire of whitesell, but what is the reason a good number of people think hodgson would have been a better hire? The guy has never been a head coach at any level. I think he will get a shot one day but is no where near ready.

Everyone wants to see the path that ub athletics and basketball in particular is headed continue but a Hodgson hire would have been a huge risk of making us look like a joke

In my opinion the guy that people should be upset that we didn't hire got hired at Georgia st. Rob Lanier. Has ties to the area, has power/major conference ties has been a head coach and can recruit.

The only thing Hodgson would have done is likely keep most of not all of the recruits. Whether that would have made a difference no one can say just like if he or Whitesell would be the more successful coach. 
 

My concern is when turnover occurs and success isn’t maintained it’s far easier to fall back to Reggie ball than the success UB enjoyed the last six years. That’s why this year despite the turnover has always been a critical one. Let’s hope we have a run in us!

1 minute ago, DooleyBull06 said:

Squandered a golden opportunity 

Indeed, as they have many times this year. The failure to learn from the early season no shows and resulting losses will likely doom this season. 

Toledo beats BallState and Miami up by 8 in first half against BG. 

6 minutes ago, DooleyBull06 said:

Well any good spirits and confidence I had about this team a week ago are gone. At this point I’ll be surprised we win a tournament game let alone 3 or 4 in a row. We are just to inconsistent. 

Tend to agree, but you’ve gotta play the game. Let’s see what happens. 

1 minute ago, Kevin said:

Dear lord. 
this team can’t beat a zone. 
graves out dulled by another number 1 on another team 

Graves is not a good defender nor is he a reliable shooter. He can get hot as he did last week. Unfortunately that is the exception rather than the rule. 

Haven’t watched the game today. But we’re being out rebounded by 43-33. That is not in keeping with our best this year.