ButlerAlumDad

I think its a great idea though I don't believe the men could deal with her gpa requirements.

As long as many are discussing transfers... remember... Ikenna transferred out. He could have stayed. He might have made a positive difference in 3 games we lost.

Oats was quoted as stating that "Hodgson recruited the entire UB team". That is totally false as there are some players, current & future recruited and offered by Whitesell and/or Marshall.

It appears, there are 2 more UB staff exits. DBO and Strength and Conditioning. According to Oats, Bauman and Snowden are reportedly at 'Bama.

1 hour ago, rma said:

Neither are required sports for the AAC

apologize I was thinking ACC not AAC. UB is down to 14 total sports and only 6 mens sports failing to meet any FBS Conference requirement

19 hours ago, bull_trojan said:

UCF = Disney... easier to convince the family to let me go.

I think the American is an imperfect solution to the fact that our alumni base is more east coast than mid-west. Using LinkedIn Alumni I count 10,419 alumni in the AAC footprint if you don't count NYC, 35,866 if you do. I count only 3,315 for the MAC footprint. 

I did rough math on a AAC Basketball conference schedule vs the MAC, and I came up with AAC 46k more expensive...I rounded that up to 50k, mulitplied that by every sport minus Wrestling, and put 300k for football and came up with 900k.

Which, with the old AAC contract, would have left UB about 450k in the hole. With the new deal, we'd still come out +5.2 million.

except we don't field teams in all the required sports. No baseball, now soccer. 

9 minutes ago, TML1000 said:

I follow the local girls/womens basketball scene closely and there just is not the depth of D-1 in this area on a year-in, year-out basis to be able to provide a backbone of team depth or crowd support. Over the past decade, there have been about 2-3 D-1 players per graduating class in the WNY area, with the vast majority playing at low to mid-majors. Summer has arguably had the second most successful local D-1 career over the past 8-10 years, with Healy at Bonaventure being the first.

As for coaches, there are some promising locals in the area but making the jump from D3, etc with only a few years experience to D1, especially a team that has had recent success, would seem quite the undertaking.

Don't forget Ciera is local. She played AAU here and even played a few games with Summer (my daughter was the PG playing up)

3 minutes ago, TML1000 said:

I follow the local girls/womens basketball scene closely and there just is not the depth of D-1 in this area on a year-in, year-out basis to be able to provide a backbone of team depth or crowd support. Over the past decade, there have been about 2-3 D-1 players per graduating class in the WNY area, with the vast majority playing at low to mid-majors. Summer has arguably had the second most successful local D-1 career over the past 8-10 years, with Healy at Bonaventure being the first.

As for coaches, there are some promising locals in the area but making the jump from D3, etc with only a few years experience to D1, especially a team that has had recent success, would seem quite the undertaking.

You've got Nwora going to a P5 school. DuBerry recruited by everyone, Wanzer, Pfeiffer, Dolan, and a few others. The local scene is now more than COH and South. Go to Park today and tomorrow and watch the best of the best locals.

I am more concerned about recruits, current players and assistants here than on the men's side. Especially the Australian connection. There are plenty of good local candidates in my opinion. Coaches; 'Rocco, Graham-Kuberka, Redfern, Frost are a few that could keep continuity if the staff gets decimated. Unlike the men though I feel somewhat the someway, there are D1 local girls who will bring local fans out. 

On 4/1/2019 at 8:47 PM, UB85 said:

The potential to raise donations by many multiples is there. I’ve heard people who are in the know say that contributions during UB hoops recent success has risen significantly. My family was prepared to donate a substantial sum, which we never considered before. It’s the chicken or the egg question. Can you raise huge donations without a record of success? Or must you first show success that invests people to the point where they’re willing to donate? I think the answer is obvious. 

Here’s another question to ponder;  if it’s true that UB’s success over the last few years and the resulting positive coverage from coast to coast is worth “millions”, as reported to me by two senior athletics department officials, why cannot UB make a fraction of that commitment to do all that is necessary retain or hire a coach committed to the success of UB hoops?

First off - I really question your "in the know" people. Next, we are a State school subject to what Albany wants. Next is the UB Foundation group that would put $ to the medical school first. UB might get more applications due to it becoming known, though the school is already close to capacity. I was privy to the costs and budgets a few years ago and costs have increased since then forcing UB to drop sports programs. In case you missed my post, UB is 1 sport away from losing D1for some sports (those not in MAC). UB is in the MAC as it only requires 4 sports to be league members vs other conferences requiring 16+. UB was a good D1 program until the students said no sports money and UB lost D1 football. Basketball was D3. UB only gained D1 status again 30 years ago. Don't trash the MAC. The MAC only requires a member to field 4 sports; Football, Men's Basketball, Women's Basketball and Women's Volleyball. Most FBS leagues  require 16 teams  as a minimum including baseball and soccer for membership and some leagues are over 20. UB doesn't have the resources, students, interest or facilities to comply with the Big Boys. 

1 minute ago, everlast2504 said:

We also get a ton more money. We could be fine. Travel will be an issue no matter how much money.

Joseph is correct. IT'S NOT HAPPENING SO DROP IT!. No-one is running with bags of $$$ shouting... "UB UB UB". 

https://buffalonews.com/2019/04/01/noah-hutchins-two-day-event-showcases-area-basketball-talents/

1 minute ago, 961819 said:

I know money is a big factor, that’s blatantly obvious. But any other excuse for not joining, in particular the whole “UB wouldn’t be able to compete” are complete BS.

UB Can't compete. There is no budget for the teams to travel to away games. UB already had to cut 4 sports and would have to add 6 to be in the ACC. I was involved in a team going from the Horizon to the A-10 (the league knew it was for 1 year only) then the Big East. Sadly I think there' more of a chance of UB dropping D1 than there is of joining a FBS or P6 conference.

1 minute ago, 961819 said:

UB needs to get a coach and then get the hell out of the MAC, that’s all I have right now 

and where are they going to go? They don't have a big time budget and its all teams have to go. UB Football in the Big10? ACC? The Big East is private schools only. It takes $$$. I doubt UB could afford the MAC buyout.

I think some humor is needed: LIFETIME CONTRACT?  30 yrs of coaching, 40 NBA picks, 1 title

2 minutes ago, McBulls said:

Actually, Squire, BAD is right. He left to serve as an assistant at Butler, through it was under Brandon Miller instead of Brad Stevens. A good example of a coach stepping back to move forward which flies in the face of my concerns with regards to Fife.

Brad brought his name up to Brandon. Holtman was working as an assistant to John Croce before he went to Gardner-Webb. Croce was a Butler assistant for a year at Butler during Miller's playing days. I believe Brad went from basketball operations to assistant coach when Croce left. 

21 minutes ago, squire17 said:

Wrong. He left Gardner-Webb to be the head coach at Butler. He stayed in that roll for 3 years. Then took over at thee Ohio State. 

you are wrong. He came to Butler per Brad Stevens for Brandon Miller and was named head coach when Brandon went on medical leave.

On July 15, 2013, Holtmann left Gardner-Webb to join the Butler staff as an assistant coach under Brandon Miller.^[11] Explaining his decision, Miller said Holtmann's experience "speaks for itself" and added "his values and what he stands for, who he is as a person, fits Butler University."^[6] Upon his departure, Gardner-Webb described Holtmann's tenure as a successful major rebuilding effort. Vice President Chuck Burch remarked, "We are grateful for the resurgence Chris created here at Gardner-Webb. He will be sorely missed, both on and off the court."^[10] Every senior he coached during his three years there earned a degree.^[12]

After one year as an assistant coach, Holtmann was named interim head coach on October 2, 2014 when Miller took a medical leave of absence. As interim coach, he guided Butler to a 10–4 start including a third-place finish in the Battle 4 Atlantis tournament.^[13] On the basis of the strong start, Butler was ranked as high as #15 in the AP Poll. On January 2, 2015, the interim tag was removed and Holtmann became the 23rd head coach of the Butler University men's basketball team. Announcing the decision, athletic director Barry Colliersaid Holtmann had "coached successfully in a difficult situation" and embodied The Butler Way as interim coach.^[14]

Upon receiving the job, Holtmann commented "The Butler Way resonates with who I am, who I want to be, who I'm trying to be, and with my family and our values."^[15]

Jeff Goodman of ESPN has described Holtmann as "a guy who just flat-out gets it. He has a tremendous work ethic, connects with his players, can recruit and also knows the game."^[5] Recruiting expert Dave Telep said Holtmann "has always done a good job with his [player] evaluations" and said few coaches work harder than him.^[5] During his career, Holtmann has recruited seven all-conference players. Thirteen players he coached or recruited have gone on to play professionally.^[12]

The Bulldogs surged into the polls in the early portion of the 2016–17 season, beating eventual NCAA Tournament teams Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Cincinnati, Arizona, Bucknell, and Vermont en route to an 11–1 non-conference start. Holtmann won Big East Coach of the Year^[16] honors after guiding the Bulldogs to a second-place finish (they were picked in the preseason to finish sixth ^[17]), which included a season sweep of defending champion Villanova. Butler's 12–6 mark in conference play was the best of their four-season history in the Big East. The Bulldogs also earned a 4th seed, their highest seed in program history, in the 2017 NCAA Tournament.

15 minutes ago, Kevin said:

As expected:

"Oats walked onto the UB campus last Wednesday like he didn’t know he was leaving. He took a private jet with his family to Tuscaloosa that afternoon and was introduced as the head coach on Thursday. 

The news of Oats’ departure broke on Twitter around 4 p.m. on Wednesday. Oats’ players were informed by the athletic department in a meeting at the same time, according to The Buffalo News. Not by their former coach."

typical of a high school coach. Did you expect more?

1 minute ago, dutchcountry7 said:

Carrier is horrible.  It is a football venue.  Horrible for basketball. 

Agree - I didn't do the ranking. It is going to be closed anyways for a massive remodel including permanent roof, wider aisles, handicap access, etc.

Nice article... https://www.ubspectrum.com/article/2019/04/goodbye-nate

25 minutes ago, squire17 said:

Thank God it’s not Rose Hall! Fordham? Really? Do they still have a team even?

Rose Hill upgraded though still a 3200 capacity. new video, on the ends and sidelines. restrooms need work. Still a historic building. It maybe a media challenge when the NYS Federation Cup starts there next year. Not much sideline space. RANKING ARENAS: (NBC Sports) Cameron (Duke), Allen Field house (Kansas), Hinkle Field house (Butler), Carrier Dome (Syracuse), Dean Smith Center (North Carolina), Assembly Hall (Indiana University), The Palestra (University of Pennsylvania), Rupp Arena (U of K), MSG (St. Johns), Harry Hampel Pavilion (UConn)

28 minutes ago, ed said:

doesn't bother me in the least.

agree. Chris Holtman was HC at Gardner-Webb and left to be an ordinary assistant under Brad Stevens at Butler. 3 years later he bolted for "The Ohio State" thus the moniker "Boltman".

REALITY CHECK!!! 6 years ago UB would have been lucky to beat a team like RAP or City Rocks. Hurley left a MAC tournament ready team. Today expectations to continue the last 2 years are high. REALITY... there is no long standing tradition or identification to build on. True, the down & dirty hard hat mentality is being promoted just as the "New York State Bulls" were under DW. Hurley brought attention to the program and upped the donor attention. DW did too. A big fall off under AG. I truly believe MA is looking to define the program long term. He could look to local ties like Lanier or Battle for 5-8 year sustainability as well as develop a program face and identity or risk hiring a Pitino for immediate attention and 2-3 years. Alumni Arena is not Cameron, Rupp, Yum Center, Assembly Hall, Hinkle, or even Rose Hall, etc. Other local schools though 2 have slidden downhill recently have more tradition, especially the one to the south. Comparing UB, to Gonzaga, VCU or Butler is a joke at the moment. Tradition has a lot to do with it. As UB is a public state school, many have to buy in including the State, town and city. Will spectators pay 1/4 of what they pay currently for the entire season for a bleacher seat for just 1 game? I doubt it. I won't reveal my UB seat location however at the Carrier Dome the equal seats would be $365 per seat a game though it includes a buffet and 2 drinks in the club at the 'Dome. At Cameron and Hinkle its even more. 

18 hours ago, 961819 said:

Let me get some opinions on this. Perhaps Oats wasn’t as good of a coach as we all thought and our dominance of the MAC was purely based on having all around better players. Our recruiting recently has been head and shoulders above the rest of the MAC and when we finally went up against teams with equal or better recruits, Oats was exposed (Marquette, Texas Tech) Any thoughts on this?

That's exactly what I've been saying. Coach JW was HUGE as he has the experience and temperament. Not certain he wants to be a HC again. I saw him coach 2x a year when my son was on the Butler team and then almost 1x a year after as I still travelled to Hinkle for home games.

Fan travel for tournaments and euro tours is very different than midweek regular game support. Not that an abundance of fans for support is always necessary, it adds to attractiveness of a team desiring to change leagues.  Example, Louisville at Syracuse had a few hundred Cardinals including 1/2 the parents of players. I don't think I missed more than 2 games while my son was on the Butler bench and I was ridiculed by a few for even missing those. People would say to my daughter who was 4 at there time, "you came to see your brother?" and she would reply, "no, I came to play with the doggy (Blue the Butler Bulldog mascot). Back in the late 50's there would be caravans of cars traveling for UB football when we played schools like Army,.Navy, Penn, etc. Pre Alumni Arena the Aud was jammed for college hoops which cost the area the Braves. 4 pro teams have tried the area waters since, all unsuccessful. The Bills and Sabres can draw from Canada and Rochester, UB can not. Due to UBs contract with Daemen and NCAA rules, cross border games won't happen though they've been proposed. There are some top Canadian schools that wanted to set up an annual series. They are now talking to Canisius and Niagara.