dutchcountry7
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7 minutes ago, BullsFan14 said:
Why can't we have bias article writing like this in the Buffalo area?
What was the bias? Everything said about the Lemoyne game was accurate.
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33 minutes ago, 121Merrimac said:
It's nice that you typed some rules, but without knowing where they came from, I'm still left wondering if they are correct. I'm not saying that you are wrong, I'm just wondering why the readers should believe your post over any of the other comments in the thread.
https://www.ncaapublications.com/
Perform your own due diligence if you want.
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Just now, promotherobot said:
As a conference I think we fit in the American quite well.
I know that is likely the conference people want to be in.
But I am more curious as to what schools around the country--no matter conferences--people think are a good measure of peers. It could be five or six schools from five or six different conferences. I am just curious what schools people see as being similar in athletics and/or athletics.
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Good thing Harris wasn't hyped as the guy to carry the team this year because it would be a long and struggling season.
In years past he would have had to do the heavy lifting. Now he can sit the bench and develop in practice while the team wins.
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An individual being active in the community is not the athletic department.
That is my point.
You tell me to look around as if it is obvious and I am simply oblivious. But it is exactly because I have been aware that I was curious about what new things were going on.
Here is a video from 2015. Is that what you're talking about? The football team has done elementary school visits for years.
I thought I would be seeing an article about some new things that the athletic department is trying. The article didn't list anything. It simply said the AD (again, one person) was going out to see what Buffalo was like.
Again, I have no problem with an executive taking time to learn how a place works before they try to come in and change things up. I think that is a good approach for someone who will be there in the long term. But the article made is sound like there was new things going on. Is it too much to ask what those new things are?
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Who do you think are UB's peers?
Would have to be a reasonable match of football program and academics.
Is UB just kind of an oddball? What programs would be considered like UB?
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This is going to be a blowout.
St. Bona is flirting with being a sub-300 team.
They have only beat horrible teams.
I don't know why people are over selling them.
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12 hours ago, UB85 said:
I read somewhere tonight that Bona fans were chanting “WE WANT UB!!” in the second half of their demolition of Siena tonight. The boys better be ready to play.
I took that to mean they wanted to see the team play a ranked team.
Wonder if the Bonnies players think they can compete with the Bulls? They were blown out in the Caymens.
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13 hours ago, 121Merrimac said:
No, I am correctly stating my memory. I might have been misinformed, but I was not mistaken. I was sharing a thought, and not stating a fact. Why make it personal? And, after you recently demanded proof of a tweet in another thread, I find it comical that you now don't feel the need to provide proof backing your own statement. Lighten up...
"Demanded proof of a tweet" is a bit of hyperbole.
I thought there might be an actual full length interview that went into the details which was merely summarized by the little snippet you linked. I was looking for more information and really wanted to see how UB was being active in the community. Turns out they aren't. It was just about the AD having moved to Buffalo and trying to get a feel for the community he now lives in.
No big deal.
As for your other point: It's not a personal attack on you.
I am correcting a post on the board so that other people don't see it and repeat is as fact like you did.
I will run down the rules for people to provide some clarity:
Division-I teams are only permitted two exhibitions a year. UB played Albany (secret scrimmage) and Daemen in their two exhibition. They have to count every other contest against outside competition as an official game.
D3 teams can count a contest as an exhibition if it is against a D1 team. But a D2 team can't treat the game as an exhibition unless both teams classify it as an exhibition. (Buffalo can't agree to make it an exhibition because they already played two exhibitions.)
D1 teams are limited to a maximum of four outside competitions against non-D1 teams. For instance, these four non-D1 contests could be two exhibitions and two games, or it could be as many as four games and no exhibitions.
While a D1 team can play up to four non-D1 contests, the non-D1 teams must meet certain criteria in order for the contest to be permitted... the non-D1 team must be a school where the majority of their degrees granted are for four-year programs, the team must be considered a varsity program, and the school must be a member of a recognized athletic association (NCAA, NAIA, NCCAA, etc), or the school must be fully-accredited by a recognized regional accreditor. They could not, for instance, play Erie Community College, because they are not a four year school. They also couldn't play a local semi-pro team because they are not a varsity collegiate program.
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56 minutes ago, 121Merrimac said:
I seem to remember that one game against a lower division will count, but a second game would not. I feel like a few MAC teams have played 2 lower teams* in the recent past.
* in addition to any true pre-season exhibition games.
You’re mistaken.
Any four year school who is a member of a recognized association or fully accredited counts as a game.
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On 12/3/2018 at 1:53 PM, dutchcountry7 said:
Lemoyne is a better than a lot of bottom D1 teams. Massey ratings has them ranked higher than the likes of Norfolk State, Monmouth, and Binghamton.
Would we expect people not to show up for those teams? Either people are going to just show up because Buffalo is ranked and winning, or we need to start scheduling home games that matter.
This will be the test. If winning alone will draw fans then expect a sell out.
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That's a shame.
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38 minutes ago, BullBoy said:
These games count for the D-1 team, but are exhibitions for the non-D-1 team
No. That only applies to D3 schools. D2 schools it is a game for both of them.
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4 minutes ago, Jeseph said:
The sentence was from a tweet, not my words.
What tweet? You didn’t link a tweet.
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12 minutes ago, Jeseph said:
The article you liked doesn’t say what the sentence in your post says.
It never mentions the athletic department being active in the community.
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4 minutes ago, BrooklynBull said:
St. Louis and Pitt played there as part of a tournament like UB played in Belfast. It was not them scheduling a home game there.
That is correct. But it was the only game as part of the event. The Gazelle group made that one game a money maker for their company. If they can skim a margin from it, on top of paying both teams to play there. Then UB can cover expenses for a game at the venue.
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10 minutes ago, Kevin said:
Do we know if they are better than Daemen?
Yes, according to the same rating system.
61 vs 89.
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- Why are you playing Southern Illinois twice in the same season? - Katz
- LOL. No one would play us! We both wanted to have a home/home with someone and we both wanted to have a home game this year and no one will play us. So we finally just decided let's just play twice and we both can get a home game this year. - Oats
People don't realize how hard it is to get home games. Not only does the program not have the money needed to bring teams in but the team is also good. That is the worst combo.
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18 hours ago, Jeseph said:
Buffalo is paying more for buy games than MAC teams have to pay. That means no one wants to play them.
The fact that Buffalo is playing $70k+ to get teams like St Francis PA and Delaware State just shows how much they struggle to get teams to come to Buffalo.
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10 hours ago, BrooklynBull said:
And exactly where would this "home" game be played? Taking a wide definition of New York City, from MSG to Barclays to the Nassau County
MausoleumColiseum to the Prudential Center which one of these facilities would be cheap enough to guarantee that UB would break even on the road home game?Barclays or MSG.
If done as part of a Alumni event that reaches out to the NY Metro alumni base, it shouldn't be a problem.
Remember, you're not playing a off brand team. You will be playing a brand name team that will draw their own fans too.
LIU-Brooklyn and St Francis have hosted home games at Barclays. LIU hosted Niagara there.
Saint Louis and Pitt just played there. You don't think Saint Louis has more local alumni and fans than UB, do you?
Yes, it would take a commitment from multiple departments and is not the type of thing Buffalo has been willing to do in the past but it can be successful.
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17 minutes ago, bull_trojan said:
1) 2 road buy games:
Revenue =170k (85k x 2 games)
Expense = 70k (35k x 2 games)
Profit = 100k
2) 1 road buy game + 1 home game
Revenue = 85k+X (85k x 1 game, X = typical AA home game revenue)
Expense = 45k+Y (35k travel +10k to bring in D1 team, Y = typical cost of AA home game)
Profit = 40k + X - Y3) Home and Home
Revenue = X + B (B = additional revenue for AA big game)
Expense = 35k + Y + G (35k travel, G = additional cost of AA Big Game)
Profit = -35k + X + B - Y - GJust making up numbers here:
but if we make $20/ fan, it costs 15k fixed to play a game at AA and variable costs are $5/fan...and a typical AA game is 3k fans, with a big game being 6k fans...
1) = 100k
2) = (40k + 60k) - (45k + 30k) = 25k
3) = 120k - (35k + 75k) = 10k
Your numbers are way off. No D1 team gets bought for less than $35k and it only gets that low when they are playing a type of a similar level and there is nearly no expense for travel (like Fordham buying LIU-Brooklyn this year).
I gave you ball park numbers.
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11 minutes ago, bull_trojan said:
I'd love the Big 4 classic:
Pre tourney round:
Michigan @ UB
UCF @ Cansius
UConn @ Bona
Va Tech @ Niagara1. You can't hold this event more than once every four years because teams can't play in an event more than once every four years. So you would have to alternate which Big 4 team played in it each year. Unless you wanted to hold it only one time.
2. If held only one time, you still can't host all the teams because Niagara and Canisius are in the same conference. Only one team per conference is permitted in an event.
3. Michigan is not playing at UB. Not going to happen. Possibly Toronto.
4. There are already too many events. Vancouver Shootout couldn't fill their field so Texas A&M only got two games. They were suppose to get four. The top teams have their pick. Michigan plays in Maui and Atlantis every cycle. Same with UConn. How much will you pay the teams to be there? Atlantis pays the 8 teams $2 Million with $1 Million going to the team that wins the tournament. Buffalo doesn't have the resources to run an event and to put up the money. This is why conferences host most tournaments.
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29 minutes ago, bull_trojan said:
The dilemma for Buffalo is we can schedule 2 games many ways:
1) 2 road buy games = 200k
2) 1 road buy game + 1 home game = 100k - cost to bring team to alumni + revenue at alumni.
3) Home and home = Revenue at AlumniFinancially, do we think #3 makes us more than #1 or #2, I don't.
It isn't just about that one game though. As those games at home create fans that buy multiple tickets a year, even to games that are less than stellar. Just like all the people who went to the Daemen exhibition game. You didn't go to that game unless you were already a fan of UB basketball or you had family involved.
And your numbers are off. UB gets paid about $85k for a buy game. They then spend $30k for the trip on average. Remember the whole point of the money is to cover travel costs.
Really, when all is said and done it's more like $50k per guarantee game that the athletic department benefits from.
So your numbers look more like this:
1) 2 road buy games = 100k
2) 1 road buy game + 1 home game = 10k (if low level D1 team) or 35k if non-D1 team
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Just now, Jeseph said:
Playing at home is better than playing in NYC.
I thought people were saying we needed to go on the road to play any team. Play Syracuse. Play Marquette. Play West Virginia. Play whoever is a big name and play them anywhere.
Now you're saying not to do that? You think home games are more important?
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It was the Little Three for the longest time and Bonas would have a handful of games at the Buffalo Aud every year to packed crowds. Up through the 70s, the Little Three were a big deal in Buffalo. Though that's like 50 years ago now.
When Buffalo went D1 the Buffalo News started calling the teams the Big Four when comparing them in basketball.