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2 hours ago, Tee4three said:

This got me thinking is there rules about this

What is stopping a collective being a straight work around to paying athletes from the school?

True blue gives away a good amount of t shirts for free, I always just assumed that's what my student fee was for (half a joke)

Could the collective buy/make all the true blue shirt give aways, then sell them to true blue? 

 

I would think yes. 
However is sounds like it can be easily abused for things like fraud and money laundering

10 minutes ago, DooleyBull06 said:

This. No prohibits players from going on and getting their own endorsements. Most players have NIL agents. The ideal situation is when collectives and local business come together and work deals and have deals at the ready for players.

I mentioned this as well.

There is nothing about any of us from stuffing a envelope full of cash and giving to to a player, for pretty much any reason.

39 minutes ago, trueblue32 said:

It appears that the Cage replacement is... another former Villanova walk-on with no coaching experience:

Have to get your start somewhere.......

On 4/28/2024 at 10:28 AM, TheCommish said:

So, just to clarify, donors to UB don't have any influence over how their money is used?

I’ll wait for you to answer the basic questions, you keep skipping over.

You expect someone to provide the level of service of a full-time employee and expect same results from a volunteer?

So she receives a 1099-NEC from St Bonaventure every year? 

 

Who picked these people to lead?

Who makes the decision to let them go if they're not brining in the money?
 

Someone controls the board. Alnutt? Foundation?

 

The great thing about NIL is you can hand an athlete an envelope full of cash and its legal. You don't need to give money to a collective 

I assume most collectives are volunteer the boards are a group of moderately wealthy people.  Beside do we want to take money out of athletes pockets to pay someone money to run an NIL? How would we all feel if the NIL raised 200k and gave 150k to the people running it?

The board of the collective makes the choices. After all it is its own entity outside the scope of the school. With while strong ties. They are lose and must be kept at arms reach. 

A school can't have any direct control over a NIL. They can use influence and some politics to get their vision across. But we are not big enough nor are their multiple collectives to negotiate with. 

The Nickel City Collective will be able to put the money to whomever they see fit while I assume with recommendations from UB athletics. Although they can chose not to listen at all without any real repercussions. 

On 4/2/2024 at 5:47 PM, Bluebird96 said:

Nice to see UB at the top of the MAC in their scoring, and interesting that the newest member of the MAC is 2nd.  Take it for what it’s worth I guess, won’t really matter unless we start trending upward in football and MBB, and continue the upward trend that BB has WBB on.  Need to get back in the discussion of top teams in the MAC in all 3 sports!

 

Does that really say the "PAC 2"?

1 hour ago, BrooklynBull said:

He has been all the way to Rhode Island as well.

The championship game was in Arizona. Does he get a pass because he is close to his brother?

22 minutes ago, DaBulls99 said:

What can Kentucky offer that Alabama can’t? Seriously. I know Kentucky is the “blue blood”, but Bama has just as many dollars to offer. Oats just went toe to toe with the likely back to back champion in the Final Four. Clearly he can do it at Bama too. 

Winning a championship in Alabama is significant for both the school and Oats. Not winning a championship in Kentucky would be significant for both the school and Oats if he went there. 

Alabama can compete and probably offer more on every level except history. It's also an 18 million buyout, plus a significant jump in salary to make Oats think about moving. Base on SI, his new contract is top 5 at 5 million a year. He has a huge contract with a huge buyout. Saban is gone. He is now the face of 'Bama sports. 

2 hours ago, Blue03 said:

Free recruitment advertising for UB

And we have Jay Wright and his connection to HCGH and UB. Lot of connections for this game 

7 hours ago, BrooklynBull said:

That is a $7,000,000.00 per year average.  There are bot enough hats in Western New York to have raised that type of money.  Also Oats is from Wisconsin.

There are haves and have nots in college athletics.  When a have drives a Brinks truck up your driveway you are going to accept the offer.  If someone offered Schmidt to quadruple his salary, it would be bye bye Bonnies.

100% agree. There was no way we would of ever of beaten the offer from Alabama or any other. Those schools can always say more. UB can't, there is a point were the money just isn't there. 

We also don't know what really happened behind closed doors with Oats. He did sign a buyout within hours of accepting another job. Maybe is was part of the negotiation on his part and 'bama said the highest we will go on a buyout is X?

2 hours ago, BrooklynBull said:

Actually, SUNY would be in better shape than most to handle workers' compensation.  The State of New York for all intents and purposes is a self insured employer through the State Insurance Fund.  Syracuse, although a self-insured employer would have issues because they would have to increase the value of surety bonds given to New York State to cover athletes. A school like Colgate or Hobart would have major issues.  The you would have Army and the Merchant Marine Academy exempt from workers' compensation liability in New York State because they are federal.

It might be become a double edge sword for the now paid student athletes. Workers comp maxes out at around $1200 wk or 2/3 of pay. Imagine a player getting injured and the scholarship went from 100% to 66%.  It could end up saving schools money and also making them more willing to bench a player for being injured and paying them less. 

1 hour ago, Chet said:

What a fun brand of basketball! Would love a team that played like that. Oh that’s right….ADMA passed on Hodgson for GHIII. Horrible! 

I don't the think having Hodgson would of fixed anything. Oats is that good. UB is going to be a segment on his 30 for 30 on day

2 hours ago, DooleyBull06 said:

 

Wait till he finds out it's in Ohio, which is in Canada 🙃

1 hour ago, UBinMD said:

If I was a betting man, I would expect that the Athletic fees have never really be adjusted for the UB to be a D1 school. Maybe it's a SUNY thing, maybe it's a UB decision, not sure. schools like JMU, etc. obviously made a decision that Athletics was important to the college profile. For the first time ever, they went over 40,000 applications to their school. Athletics is a major component of college life. A friend of my daughter went to Virginia Tech instead of one of 12 other colleges she could have gone to for free because she wanted to go to football games (a stupid decision in my opinion, but it is a real thing these days). I was at UB when we went to D1. There was a little rumble, I religiously attended football, MBB, WBB, volleyball, wrestling etc. in the early days. However, in my opinion, it was not touted as the big deal it really was and felt like we missed out on that moment and things just rolled along from there. 20 years later we became pretty good and had some really nice success. Now we are back at the bottom of the bell curve. UB Administration has done a very poor job getting excitement, they couldn't even get quality gear for students and fans to buy or a way to buy online or anything for a long time, mindboggling. 

It's 10000000000000% a SUNY thing. SUNY already made a choice to kill athletics in the 1970s. Their track record is not good. 

On the bright side we can't get worse then what we were this year. Heres to looking up!

19 hours ago, bullsbball said:

Oh, on the radio post game, UB coaching staff says they have one Commit for next year but it hasn't been made public yet. 

Why would anybody want to come to UB?

UB is a very good university with what can be a solid mid-major program. We just need to find the self aware student atheletes who are good enough at basketball to play D1 at a high level. But know that this is it after 4 years so better get the best education they can. 

3 hours ago, Big 4 Hoops Blogger said:

Recently found out some interesting information. Without going into details, I think UB is aware of what needs to be done to get their program back on track.

Please some give us some more details. 

1 hour ago, Big 4 Hoops Blogger said:

I agree with all of this. It honestly doesn't take a crazy amount of money to make it work at the mid-major level. Just need to compete with your peers in the MAC. Was shocked to hear Akron and Kent State don't have collectives in place.

I mean Akron had the rubber bowl.....

Kent state I'm sure they have something I can make fun of in their past. 

1 hour ago, Big 4 Hoops Blogger said:

These are all things we've been discussing for a few years on this board and there's been plenty of posters who have downplayed the importance of NIL in the college basketball landscape.

The reason I said the things I said at the time was because I had multiple D1 coaching sources tell me NIL was going to make or break programs heading into the future. It's one of the top things prospective head coaches look into during job interviews.

My downplaying wasn't so much as we don't need it. But more of we don't need a lot of money to compete. We don't need millions to compete with the top athletes because we aren't going to get them anyways. I feel the public looks at the top deals and thinks all deals are somewhere in that realm. When the reality is that at the top the money may be millions, but on average NIL deals are well well under 10k. That's if there is any NIL deal. 

A UB collective could probably have a fund well under $1 million and still be highly competitive nationally. Recruiting goes hand in hand with this too. UB needs to be self aware that we are still going after mid major talent, with the off chance of getting an under the radar player. Maybe pick off a P5 bench player who will want to get more playing time and maybe a little more money, or even a little less money. 

4 hours ago, DaBulls99 said:

Who’s to say there wasn’t? He likely knew of this well before the official announcement. Devils advocate for the athletic dept here, KM has done little to nothing for UB. I’m unaware of any monetary gifts like so many MAC players have done, despite him being at one point the highest paid defensive player in NFL history. Not sure what his deal is but from the outside it looks like he could give a crap about anything going on in Buffalo. 

 You are 100% right.

you would think there would be some level of coordination with arguably one the most accomplished Atheltes to come out of UB for this?

On 2/27/2024 at 3:38 PM, MuchMany said:

I agree with you that re: budget we are peers and could expect to have the same things UMass has based on that.

I was only trying to explore why it is that even though we are budgetary peers, we have an entirely different NIL reality. The reason is that UMass has a built in diehard fanbase and UB has like, me and 50 other people. UMass has had dedicated organized fans since long before UB returned to D1. Both my folks are dual UMass and UB alums, and I remember as a kid going to a WNY alumni watch party for the 1996 Final Four vs Kentucky.

I imagine their AD has close relationships with them which helped when it came time to form the collective. UMass is also just more of a sports school sadly. They compete for National titles in hockey. That doesn't excuse ADMA's sluggish acceptance of NIL, but I hope we can learn from them and other more advanced peer institutions.

SUNY rules about athletic scholarships pre 1986 ruined decades of history UB could of had. We have been playing catch up and at times there still seems to be some deeply embedded mindset that students are their for an education the school doesn't need athletics. Previous Presidents and ADs who want to change this perception were basically ran out the door or offered little support to see their visions through (Simpson and UB2020, White and to some degree Manuel and Green).  

The culture of leadership needs to change for anything to be effective. 

On 2/27/2024 at 3:44 PM, UBinMD said:

UB is actively working to setup a Collective and is soliciting money for the startup fees for a 3rd party administrator. Once setup it would be a not-for-profit collective that would focus on Men's Basketball and Football. If anyone is interested in helping with setup fees (NOT TAX DEDUCTIBLE for this effort), let me know. 

Schools have had years to work on it. If Albany and Stony Brook can get things set up what is taking UB so long?

UB actively working on setting up a collective isn't a goal, plan or excuse anymore. Its a failure in leadership and process to not have it already done and running for almost 2 years now. 

2 minutes ago, NC_UBfan said:

With UMass joining the MAC and having a comparable athletics budget to UB at 40mil or so I was curious to see what they had in terms of Collective/NIL and well its pretty well defined. 
 https://umassathletics.com/sports/2023/9/22/massachusetts-nil
https://www.on3.com/nil/collectives/the-massachusetts-collective-188/

 "Patrick MacWilliams founded The Massachusetts Collective in October 2022 with a goal of signing three to five players on the men’s basketball team at UMass every season"

They have a very active social media presence promoting the collective and NIL opportunities for the players   https://twitter.com/TheMassCo
My hope is Alnutt and his team are working diligently to ensure UB athletics will remain competitive.

 

At first I was going to write how UB is a SUNY school and those politics are and have been ruinous for UB in the past. See UB2020 and the resignation letter from Simpson for past examples.

However both Albany and Stony Brook have NIL collectives....

There has to be something behind closed doors going on. I don't understand how UB can be much behind on this new NIL landscape. 

2 minutes ago, skrabukes said:

Best game ever

Totally forgot the other coaches name but we got under his skin a got him T'd up for yelling at us. 

13 hours ago, promotherobot said:

Watching the game too. Troy fought back to make it close. That gym is rocking on a Thursday night. I don't recall Alumni ever being that pumped. That's college ball.

The Pitt game close to (checks math) 20 years ago? WTF I'm old.

The game where Reggies was hitting the refs table buzzer to get BG back out of the locker rooms because the ran away with time still in the game. 

12 hours ago, TheCommish said:

I’d rather fund the buyout of a bad coach, upgrade to charter flights, or fund NIL than remove the track. If we were 11-0, people would fill it but we lost to an FCS team twice. 

It seems your just hell bent on making UB into a P5 school with pulling money out of every where because there is bound to be waste so the money is there.