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1 hour ago, UBinMD said:

Lembo has mentioned Lafayette several times already so I think he is keeping them from of mind as they prepare. He knows what can come up and bite you. I am also hopeful for a 1-0 start. 

As an ex-Lehigh coach, there is nothing bigger than beating Lafayette.

10 minutes ago, TheCommish said:

What would be the cost to UB for football then?

I have no idea if they would be a cost and if there is a cost I have no idea as I am not an underwriter.  Also it would not be football.  It would have to be the cost for every single athlete, because if one is an employee they all are employees.

1 hour ago, everlast2504 said:

It might be become a double edge sword for the now paid student athletes. Workers comp maxes out at around $1200 wk or 2/3 of pay. Imagine a player getting injured and the scholarship went from 100% to 66%.  It could end up saving schools money and also making them more willing to bench a player for being injured and paying them less. 

 

 

It is much more complicated than that, in setting benefit rates and New York allows for rates to go down as people recover from their injuries.  If player is "benched" but is dressing and going to practice they would not be entitled to any money, because they are still "working".

19 hours ago, TheCommish said:

That’s why I don’t understand the urge to remove the track when we don’t know if we will have the sport. I can’t imagine any SUNY school having millions to cover the worker’s compensation cost.

Actually, SUNY would be in better shape than most to handle workers' compensation.  The State of New York for all intents and purposes is a self insured employer through the State Insurance Fund.  Syracuse, although a self-insured employer would have issues because they would have to increase the value of surety bonds given to New York State to cover athletes. A school like Colgate or Hobart would have major issues.  The you would have Army and the Merchant Marine Academy exempt from workers' compensation liability in New York State because they are federal.

8 hours ago, UB Horns Up said:

Pass the hat and keep Nate Oats at UB is what should have happened and didn’t. Nate Oats wanted to stay in Western New York close to his home town of Michigan. Give Nate Oats a $7 million dollar contract he would have stayed.

That is a $7,000,000.00 per year average.  There are bot enough hats in Western New York to have raised that type of money.  Also Oats is from Wisconsin.

8 hours ago, UB Horns Up said:

the donors aren’t going all in.

Speak for yourself.  Some of us give as much as we can, if not a little more than we should.

8 hours ago, UB Horns Up said:

Lance Leipold that had no intentions of staying in Western New York

I disagree.

There are haves and have nots in college athletics.  When a have drives a Brinks truck up your driveway you are going to accept the offer.  If someone offered Schmidt to quadruple his salary, it would be bye bye Bonnies.

On 3/29/2024 at 11:50 PM, TheCommish said:

Once the students become employees, the game is over anyways. No one will be able to afford ny workers compensation cost for football. UB will move athletics to d3/activity level anyways or we drop football. 

The relationship between the school and player is no different from Division I and Division III.  Both will fit the definition of employer-employee relationship under New York Workers' Compensation Law. https://store.lexisnexis.com/products/new-york-workers-compensation-handbook-2015-edition-skuusSku13149  (The link is to the 2024 Edition, due to be officially published in the next two weeks.)

Here is the boom.

2 hours ago, UB92 said:

Even Greene went to Auburn and is now back in Oxford.

He is now in Knoxville with White again.

21 hours ago, Blue03 said:

Think adding more private schools would help? Would improve the academic reputation, and could serve as a bridge to improving athletic reputation. I don’t know how many of those big private schools are looking for a conference, but if a school like RIT went D1 in sports it would be an exciting change. Their Corner Crew student section is incredible at hockey. Just thinking a school like that has a lot of pride, donor commitment, and would be a reputation builder for the MAC

I do not see RIT moving all sports to Division I.  To join the MAC they would have to bring back football, which they dropped after having to come from behind to tie UB, when UB had not played a game in seven years.

10 hours ago, DaBulls99 said:

Also a cautionary tale that now 2 good players leave for greener pastures, find out it’s not so green, then return. 

As more and more people see this, or people not finding another school to play for, I believe the portal will have fewer entrants.

On 3/23/2024 at 12:24 PM, rma said:

Obviously Bona's exclusively MBB donors care about the NIT enough to pony up money to buy him out

Unless he reached a deal with St. Bonaventure for some money on his way out, his buyout was $0.00.  Remember he quit, he was not fired.  Buyouts have to be paid when an AD or a coach is not fired for cause (cause is not bad results, cause is for violating rules. See Cohane, Tim).

4 hours ago, DocCas86 said:

https://americanriver.prestosports.com/sports/mbkb/2023-24/players/nickgravesplei

Current offers from NAIA schools.  Interest from us and a couple of Ivy League schools.  I don't know if this goes anywhere.

Assuming academics still has something to do with college athletics, how does this guy have interest and offers from these schools and UB, Penn and Columbia?  UB and the two Ivies would seem strange given all of the other schools listed, especially the Ivies and a JUCO transfer.

5 hours ago, John said:

The transfer portal is a big question. Is the transfer portal going to go back to a one time transfer that a player has to sit out or is the NCAA and the legal side still up in the air? Are we going to continue to see players moving from team to team from one year to the next or will a player decide to stay at one college because he is getting paid thousands and millions of dollars? The college experience seems like it will never have the same mystique and maybe a college doesn’t have to offer scholarships in lieu of a player getting millions in NIL money. 

The courts will decide.  As of now there is no enforceable requirement to make someone sit a year for a second transfer.

Well money is not a guarantee of success.

4 hours ago, UBinMD said:

Need Rana, Watson, KLW and Davis to have solid games. KJ, Ogden and Davis will need to play solid interior D without fouling. a few 3's from Ogden, Rana and Watson would help. 

And how is this is different from every other game this year?

57 minutes ago, UB Horns Up said:

When you have UB alums fighting selling beer at games

When this debate was first going on you were in favor of beer sales.  After the game against Baylor, without beer sales, you came out against beer sales.  Now you are for them.  Well what is it and why do you keep changing you position?

59 minutes ago, UB Horns Up said:

not paying head coaches for their success to maintain them at UB

Where is UB going to get the money to keep the coaches?  Do you think St. Bonaventure would be able to keep Schmidt if Alabama offered him the money they offered Nate Oats?  Linguist now has a base salary of $875,000.00, also at Alabama.  That was more than double his base salary at UB.

As for being able to go to the community to keep a coach, who is looking a huge payday, it is not going to be in Buffalo. When Brian Kelly had his first big season in Cincinnati, the school was able to reach and and raise a lot of money to keep him for another year.  According to industry sources, they were able to raise that type of money because the people in the Cincinnati area are more generous than the people in Buffalo.  However, even with that generosity they could only keep Kelly one more year as he left for greener pastures (pun intended) after the next season.  Is the Buffalo area more generous than it was 15 years ago, maybe, but not enough to keep coaches when another school rolls ups a Brinks truck.

1 hour ago, UB Horns Up said:

If UB got invited to the Ivy League

The Ivy League maybe the only conference that is more stable than the MAC.  No expansion and no departures.

9 hours ago, promotherobot said:

You'll need to take the train with @UBinMD

I will drive.  Cannot smoke cigars on a train and I do not want to be tied down to a weekend train schedule.

7 hours ago, DocCas86 said:

Shows ESPN+ on ubbulls.com.  

Confirmed last night by the producer of hte games.  Also a different announcing crew for the game.  Two different announcers.  No Peck, Mattia or Battle.

2 hours ago, promotherobot said:

I plan to be there. It's only a 2.5 hr drive for me.

That is about how long it could take me to go from Brooklyn to the Bronx.

6 hours ago, Ubbulls84 said:

Good kid but def best that he transfers. Didn’t have a solid role here and just can’t shoot the ball with any consistency to get significant minutes here. 

This is the problem with the portal.  If he cannot shoot at UB, what would make another coach think he can shoot for them?  As the portal gets "more common" the players will begin to realize that many end up not playing somewhere else or having to drop to Division II or Division III.  When that is realized players will be much less likely to enter the portal.

1 minute ago, rma said:

WNIT, opponent TBD

Schedule to be release on Monday.  First round to be played Wednesday through Friday.

https://womensnit.com/news/2024/3/17/general-2024-postseason-wnit-field-announced.aspx

If the people who set up the UB- Arizona State game in 2019 in Tulsa are in charge, UB will play South Carolina - Upstate.

For those watching the MAC Championship game on ESPN2, the play by play announcer is the son of UB Football legend Larry Rothman.

I would expect a lot of full court pressure from Kent State to start the game.  It is something Coach Burke had to be working on with the team after what Ball State did to close the regular season and Toledo did to get back in the game in the fourth yesterday.

14 hours ago, DocCas86 said:

I get where you are coming from with respect to transfers - but I still feel this past year's team had too many FR.  Here is a snapshot of UB vs Ark St rosters

Hodgson added nothing but transfers to two existing key returnees.  GHIII went predominantly with FR.  I don't think it is a stretch to say, if Hodgson had UB's roster, they would not have been beating App St in semi's and and if UB  had Ark St roster, the results would likely have been better than we saw. 

So what about next year - assuming Ark St does not have any transfers - they will be returning a good core, plus they added some FR this year.  If (a big if) GHII keeps the most of the FR for four years - perhaps they could be very good.  Time will tell. 

I feel like you have to blend in transfers - maybe focus mostly on JR / SO transfers.

 

 

One "statistic" that has not been mentioned when talking about the players that Hodgson brought into Arkansas State is academic.  Could any of them gotten into UB and if yes, could they have handled the school work at UB to stay at UB?

5 minutes ago, MuchMany said:

is UB more similar to that or to Austin/Ann Arbor?

Do not know about Austin, but Michigan is closer to JMU than we are.  I had a friend whose son went there, in part because of athletics.  In his first three years he never made it into the stadium for a football game.  Too much partying going on outside the stadium.