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A Bit ridiculous - He's a Buffalo Native, Former Buffalo Assistant during our most successful years and he's doing well - Nothing wrong with talking about him on here! Not to mention Jamie Quarles is over there and LaQuil - More than enough Buffalo connections to warrant a thread! Plus - it's more interesting to read about him than our current crop right now!

Practicing with the best of the best on a daily basis - Collecting 2Million per year, I think he's going to be just fine! He has played some games in the G-League too this season! 9 games - 18ppg - 6reb - 4ast It's awesome to have a UB guy in the NBA!!

That's the beauty of being a fan - We all have our own opinions and it sparks debate and opinions, its a pointless debate really as Whitesell got fired and its all been and done, good to hear all opinions though! I don't think Ive swayed your opinion and you haven't swayed mine but it's still fun to discuss! I Agree 100% about the Army game, BOTH times, VERY infuriating games - I also remember the good wins too like Western Kentucky on the road Maceo dunking on that 7 footer, DePaul, Bonnies 2 times (JW had a fantastic record vs Bonaventure, Canisius and Niagara). The last 10 years have been pretty sweet overall - Hopefully this season is just a blip - Time will tell on GHIII though!

I disagree with inheriting Oats players being the only reason the PPG and tempo were high - When they were with Oats they barely played - Whitesell and his staff Developed JeeNathan Williams and Segu - See the stats below. Yes - They were recruited by Oats Staff with Hodgson and Whitesell but they developed under Whitesell - That is a big part of coaching! Developing players! He also kept these players for their entire careers when they could all of easily jumped in the transfer portal at any point! Development and retention is huge! The only noticeable loss from the rotation for JW with retention was when Skogman transferred out! Style of play that they ran was similar to Oats with a fast paced - set based offense. I 100% agree that the shooting let them down - Graves struggled shooting his senior year and Brewton/Jack were brought in to be shooters and were both inconsistent - Losing Skogman was big too as they didn't really have a big-man who could stretch the floor like Perkins/McRae did. I thought our offense was entertaining and good to watch - I enjoy these conversations though - they take me to better times compared to what we have watched this season - But I think when it comes to JW we can agree to disagree on the outcome! Also - I tried to upload screenshots of stats above - Ive never uploaded pictures before on here so no idea if they worked right or not - Im not the most Tech Savvy person out there

Pros - I thought the game plan was good on Freeman, For most of the game they stuck to their plan, They were physical, they doubled him consistently from the passer, Pushed out his catches so he got no deep touches and off ball they were very packed in and compact. Cons - They don't seem to know what they are doing away from the initial game-plan - rotations were sloppy, they often times had 3 guys triple teaming the post-ups instead of just the double team which led to wide open shots for Akron when Freeman got the ball out and we were scrambling - The Screen the Screener action Akron did you could see was worked on - but as the game went on the guys got sloppier in there coverage. The last 10 minutes of the game it seemed like the guys stopped communicating on the floor - and the defense was all over the place and not in a good way. A lot of gambles for steals which they didn't get led to Akron baskets. It looked very undisciplined out there the last 12 minutes of the game imparticular.

Again though - Last year was a full rebuild - According to KenPom they lost 93% of their returning offense from the season before - The fact they won 1 of those games is good considering it was a rebuild season...In 4 years of JW we made the NIT once and made it to a MAC Championship game and for 3 of the 4 years we were competing for top 4 all season.... He should have had more time. I also think the games were entertaining, Up and Down Fast paced, High level Athletes - They were fun to watch!

I 100% agree that Alnutt needs to go! He has run the athletics department in to the ground! Not sure moving to a Northeast Conference would move the needle with transfers - They just need to be able to pay more in NIL and upgrade the facilities - UB still has exactly the same basketball facilities as they did 10 years ago - A new Locker room is needed/ Practice facility that's not shared with intramurals/ A film Room which UB does not have - UB is behind the majority of MAC schools in these categories!

I think you were watching a different team to me- Per KenPom under JW they ranked top 20 every year in Pace of Play/Tempo - They played a fast uptempo style of basketball which is miles better than what we see now. Also in 2 of the 4 years of JW Tenure they ranked top 100 in Offensive efficiency - Year 1 was almost a full rebuild where they lost CJ, Perk, Harris, Caruthers, McRae - Year 4 they lost everybody on the roster essentially MAC conference Rankings for scoring under JW; 2019-20 = 1st - 78.6PPG - Graves and Jordan were only returners who played meaningful mins on the last team 2020-21 = 1st - 81.4PPG 2021-22 = 2nd - 79.7PPG 2022-23 = 3rd - 77.5PPG - (Lost Williams, Mballa, Segu etc) - Full rebuild For context; 2023-24 = 11th - 67.2PPG I don't see your point about us being a heavy ISO team though - because as you can see above we scored very well - Williams was a very good ISO player, as was Segu - Why wouldn't we ISO with them? For the record I thought we were fun to watch and moved the ball plenty. What is done is done though - It just irks me the level of hate JW gets on here

I thought Whitesell and Co had good energy out there, not on the level of Oats and Hurley but that was their style and not his, I felt that Whitesell had a presence on the sidelines and I still felt that his teams played with a blue collar mentality. As far as NIL, under Whitesell the players had NIL infrastructure that was there for the team. When JW was let go so did the NIL Money. If JW had of stayed we would have been an upper team in the MAC this season maybe even competing with Akron if they had brought the right transfer PG in to replace Foster. JW had a full rebuild last season, developed players like Curtis Jones, Isaac Jack, Isaiah Adams etc, they played one of the top non-conference schedules in the nation according to Kenpom and brought in a lot of money for the University through the Buy Games - Made it to Cleveland and won almost half of their games in a full rebuild season! Now we are in a full rebuild situation again - We have a win against a NON-D1 school and a directional Michigan school. ADMA in my mind is the one who should be held responsible with his mishandling of the JW Firing and this poor hire in GH.

If I remember right Oats assistant coach hires were Donyell Marshall as the NBA Player, Whitesell as the vet with experience and Hodgson for his recruiting ties. Great Staff.

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You can’t recruit a good team when you’re this bad.

And to think, UB is paying this staff so much more than Whitesell’s staff to be this bad. 😬