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I would assume that the assertion that we would be better without Chatman and Adams implies that the rest of the team stepped up in their wins and put them over the top. The reality is that Adams/Chatman accounted for a greater percentage of the team's productivity in (D1) wins than losses. Here are their stats in games that they both played* So Adams and Chatman played more minutes, scored a greater percentage of the team's points, grabbed a greater percentage of the team's rebounds, used a greater percentage of the team's possessions (aka being "selfish"), and took a greater percentage of the team's shots in wins than they did in losses. This is to say they had to do everything for the team all year and the wins were the result of extra Herculean efforts rather than the rest of the team. I agree that it is obviously unlikely that the team next year gets worse than 3 wins, but based on the roster we currently have I think it is certainly within the range of outcomes. *Usage numbers are slightly higher than KenPom or wherever you look because I didn't analyze PbP data to see if shots were offensive rebounded which wouldn't count as a possession used.

He averaged 23 wins per year in his 8 seasons in the MAC. GHIII is pacing towards needing 6 years to win that many games, so I'll be a yes vote Last year people would have told you that UB is too good for Christian, as they did when I suggested Mike Anderson lol

We’re still fumbling around getting an NIL collective started and March is giving out NIL deals to preferred walk-ons at Arkansas State. Get Alnutt out of here

Nate Oats played his starting center with 2 fouls in the first half 😉

I'm not going to pretend that I know how to run an athletic department, but we're only a handful of years removed from the top 25 MBB and football teams and they may as well have never happened. All ties to those teams have been severed and all the fan momentum is gone. The students who were on campus for the good teams are gone. We're exactly where we were 10 years ago (well, 10 years ago we won 19 MBB games). We didn't find our way into a better conference as things have continued to shift (which I think is the true floor raiser for an athletic department). We're behind on the NIL front. I just don't know what Mark Alnutt has done to improve the department and staying stagnant is the same as falling behind as far as I'm concerned. I don't really have a good answer on how things should have gone differently, that's above my pay grade, but there have been ADs that found ways to advance UB's athletic programs.

AD has to go first imo. He got handed MAC powerhouses in all 3 revenue sports and the nicest thing you can say about his hires since is that WBB hasn't completely fallen off a cliff

Yeah I admit that my tone is sarcastic but I'm tired of the ragging on kids who committed to a different coach and got stuck in a shit situation. Not to mention the gaslighting of "you just don't know ball like I do", and insinuation that calling it what it is makes me a bad fan. We posted a .129 winning percentage this year, the last season that some of our contemporaries posted a winning percentage that bad. Big 4: Canisius: 1976-77 Niagara: NEVER St. Bonaventure: 2004-05 SUNYs: Albany: NEVER Binghamton: 2012-13 Stony Brook: NEVER MAC: Akron: 1995-96 Ball State: NEVER Bowling Green: NEVER Buffalo: 1991-92 CMU: 1994-95 EMU: 2000-01 Kent State: 1961-62 Miami (OH): 1907-08 NIU: NEVER Ohio: 1916-17 Toledo: 2010-11 WMU: 1958-59 This was a historically bad season and people are in denial about it. It feels like people want to believe that the issues will leave with Chatman/Adams/Jones/Smith, when we haven't really seen anything that suggests that they will.

Again if you're so sure, put your money where your mouth is 🙂 I'll be waiting. Don't worry I'll throw the winnings into the Halcovage buyout fund, because believe it or not I am "routing" for UB

Two guys who created their accounts after the top 25 season (we can see that) telling me how to be a UB fan. Kindly piss off. This coach stinks and this roster stinks, they won 3 games, get a grip. You can make a fan fiction site if that's what you want to read. It's well within my right as an alum, a donor, and a season ticket holder to say that the product sucks when it sucks.

Okay sounds good, talk to you next year and think about an o/u on the win total for the season. I'll blindly accept a bet on whatever you choose, I'm guessing it'll be 8 wins too high

Thanks MaineBull I just found out that players can improve. Interesting, how does that help Sy Chatman and Isaiah Adams score points two months ago?

A new, more objective game for this board's posters. IUPUI, Stonehill, Cal Poly, and DePaul were the other teams with exactly 3 D1 wins. On each of those teams who were their D1 caliber players? On each of those teams who were their MAC championship contributor caliber players? On each of those teams which players would you be excited if they announced they were transferring to UB tomorrow?

Last year yes. I would listen to an argument on Zaakir Williamson, but I'd still lean no. Jo Smith and Zaakir were the only players on the roster that posted above D1 average ORtgs. Are we going to pretend that it's outrageous that a team with 3 D1 wins has 3.5 D1 players?

I said that Adams shouldn't have had to be a star because he wasn't one and apparently that is love for Isaiah Adams. My point is that there were no other D1 players on the roster and your refusal to point out a single other one leads me to believe that you agree. I'm not alone in my opinion, all the others have just stopped caring, you may have noticed as the crowd surrounding you at games thinned. I hope Halcovage gives you a kiss on the forehead when he tucks you in tonight. The people arguing with me in this thread were talking themselves into an NAIA prospect in the recruiting thread, so they will be blindly supportive for eternity and I respect that, but it doesn't mean that you are correct lmao

So o'masterful ball knower. If Adams and Chatman weren't so damn greedy who would've done the scoring on this team. Lloyd McVeigh, the worst scholarship basketball player I have seen at UB? Ryan Sabol who took more 3PA than dribbles inside the 3 point line? Shawn Fulcher, analytically one of the worst players in all of the D1 land? Anquan Boldin, the IMG C-teamer who posted a turnover rate that more than doubled his assist rate? Bryson Wilson, who could only find mop up duty minutes despite being on one of the worst teams in the country? James Graham, our other experienced D1 baller who actually managed to post shooting numbers significantly worse than Isaiah Adams, despite only having to do a fraction of the play making?

So your hypothesis is that the freshmen who were already below average offensively on microscopic usage, and additionally posted pitiful assist rates had a lot of offensive potential that Adams was simply choosing not to tap into. Even though in 3 years of D1 experience that was not descriptor of Adams at any point? No that wasn't what I was implying. I was implying that he played major minutes on multiple D1 basketball teams that didn't contend for bottom 15 in the country. If you want to argue that Adams actually got worse as a basketball player this year my question would be what did Halcovage break because he was doing fine prior. He posted 1.4 win shares last year vs. -0.1 this year

This year yes. Is your argument that Halcovage set him up to succeed?

Adams played more minutes on last year's 15 win team than he did on this year's 4 win team. Saying that the program is better with all 3 D1 players we had no longer on the roster is the most needlessly contrarian bullshit I've ever seen. When there's no fans at the games next year enjoy yelling that at an empty seat

Based on your expectations that you made up? Did you watch his sophomore season at UCF? Or even bother to look at his stats? The only offensive statistic he didn't improve (significantly) in year one at UB was assist rate?

I mean yeah if we just wanna close our eyes and pretend we don't have any data on what Isaiah Adams was in the 3 years between high school and now then sure. Good news everyone! We're going far this year! James Graham was a projected second round pick out of high school https://247sports.com/Player/james-graham-46058803/high-school-225312/ We haven't learned anything about him between the time that assessment was placed on him and now so this is the best analysis we can do.

That's fine, that's always what he was. Anybody expecting a 3 year 3 & D wing to seamlessly transition to point forward in his 4th year with the least talent in UB history to support him are just day dreaming. Halcovage and fans included. It'll be what he does at a high level on a better team next year. 3rd leading scorer on the #6 team in the MAC in 2023 to "star" was never a realistic expectation. People can huff & puff about senior leaders (or whatever) but not understanding what Adams was is a failure on the staff, not on Adams

Hey A PG!

He'll transfer to a better program and play well in an off-ball role that suits him, and people on this board will act like he had a miraculous improvement rather than reflect on the pile of garbage that Halcovage put on the court next to him this season.

Are we still doing the thing where we pretend that there was nothing that Halcovage could've done last year? He was hired on March 30th last year and brought in 5 unranked freshmen and a transfer who was once a high level recruit that did nothing at Maryland. This year with a full recruiting cycle he has gotten 3 unranked freshmen and a transfer who was a once a high level recruit that did nothing at Maryland. If last year he needed more time, he evidently squandered it all this year (tbf he has 4 days to prove me wrong)