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I think new normal. I keep my eye on jobs all the time looking for a good offer, doesn't mean I don't like where I am...

#25 Cincy if they beat Houston will give us the longest home win streak, but would also probably help them leap us in the rankings #24 Maryland 15 point win at Nebraska probably leaps us. #23 Buffalo Gritty 14 point win at home #22 FSU destroyed Cuse at the dome, but is down 10 at home (vs #16 Louisville) I think we leap them. #21 LSU escapes with two wins I think we stay behind them. #20 Iowa beats Indiana hosts Northwestern #19 Wisconsin won at Michigan loses by 9 at Michigan #18 Texas Tech destroys WVU beats OU #17 Iowa State beats Oklahoma loses by 9 at home With a Cincy win (with a cincy loss): #25 Iowa St (#24) #24 FSU (#23) #23 Wisconsin (#22) #22 Buffalo (#21) #21 Maryland (#20) #20 LSU (#19) #19 Cincy (NR) #18 Iowa (#18) #17 Texas Tech (#17)

I'm sure that was Kansas' justification for firing him, although the money Gill was owed was sunk, the $$ they threw away on "big schematic advantage" were not.

True, however somehow you never hear about athletes worried about a coach getting poached. In our situation it's way more likely that Leipold is poached than we let his contract expire and don't re-sign him. I think kids aren't naive enough to believe the contract matters. If the coach does well he rips it up, if he does poorly, the university rips it up. I think that messaging is solely targeted to ADs, because you negotiate a 5 year deal, then 2 years later are told you have to extend or you'll lose recruits, and if the coach is bad, you can't let him crash your fan base for an entire Undergrad cycle, thus every deal is effectively only 2-3 years but the buyout is always 5 years.

Legally, could you write a contract that stipulates a minimum winning percentage, therefore failure to reach that percentage would be "for cause" I go back and forth with that one, because you don't want a coach who will win at any cost, because that's how you end up with sanctions.

Sorry guys, I meant no buyout as in fully guaranteed. If he's getting offers for 6-10 million, I think it's only right to give him the full amount guaranteed over a long period that he's hopefully here for. I'm against giving a guy like TG a fully guaranteed agreement before he proved he could do it at that level...although I think the AD's intention was "well now you can't fire him after 2 years cause you don't want to pay him for nothing" move, which backfired on all levels.

I'm anti-buyout for new coaches, but pro-buyout for established coaches for this very reason. Your dilemma is long term financial security vs location/job security and winning. So you have to say 9 million over the next 3 years, but possibly no Conference champs, no NCAA tourneys, and possibly fired after those 3 years. If fired, let's say you go to ASU and do the 150k associate coach thing for 7 years. Total earnings = 10,050,000 million over 10 years. Vs. what were currently offering which is lets say a guaranteed job for the next 10 years, lots of championships and NCAA tourneys, but at 650k it would take you 10 years to make what you'd make in 2 years somewhere else. Total earnings = 6.5 million over 10 years. By that math, I think we should offer 923k over 10 years with no buyout if he is fired, and a healthy buyout if he leaves for another job. That way he is guaranteed that money these other schools are offering, and should only leave if he's really up for the challenge OR if he thinks UB isn't committed to winning. 923k because you'd assume a 77k bonus for winning the MAC, which should be an annual goal for us now, that would put him up to $1 million a year.

I don't think this is true. I think agents have spoken this into existence, but kids dont care.

It's extraordinarily contingent. Still I assume it only ranks because of how bonuses are disclosed

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

I guess.

True. So the B1G deal was the schools would get what they would have gotten from their old conference for 6 years. So at the time Rutgers was looking at 10 million a year from the American, so the B1G is giving them 10 mil a year, while everyone else gets 50 million. but they won't get the full amount till 2021, so almost 2 full classes of students will only know Rutgers as an awful whipping boy (2014-2021). By 2021, will they be too far down to catch up. Additionally they've "borrowed" money from their full distribution from the University. So even with the full distribution, they'll have to take some of that money and repay the university. Finally, the University wants to reduce the university support to $0, so even with the extra money, they might not have extra, just enough to stay at this level with no university support. Bad situation. You're 100% right it would be a huge struggle.

Schedule - Weeks 1-5: 5 G5 games home and homes 1) vs Temple, 2) at UConn, 3) vs EMU, 4) at Akron, 5) vs Georgia State 1) at Temple, 2) vs UConn, 3) at EMU, 4) vs Akron, 5) at Georgia State Week 6-12: 1 FCS home, 1 P5 road, 5 home and home with Indys 6) vs Stony Brook, 7) vs Army, 8. vs UMass, 9) at Liberty, 10) at New Mex St, 11) at Vanderbilt 12) vs BYU 6) vs FCS 7) at Army 8. at UMass, 9) vs Liberty, 10) vs New Mexico St, 11) at Florida, 12) at BYU Revenue - I used revenue from USA Today, because institutional support is included as revenue, in general most schools revenues = expenses. It's not true revenue, but if the school will pay for athletic spending, that counts. Whatever numbers we want to use, I think the point stands we're a bit below the level of the American and wouldn't be able to compete if we made the leap until we got up to the level.

I think on conference realignment you're either the buyer or the seller. I'd argue Rutgers/B1G was about as even a transaction you could hope for, B1G wanted the NY market, Rutgers wanted a P5 landing spot. B1G offered them an awful deal, Rutgers could have called their bluff but they didn't, (although how do you explain to your fans you turned the B1G down?) they may never recover. The Rutgers situation I think shows that you should only move conferences once your revenue is on par with the new conference and if the conference is going to immediately distribute revenue evenly with you. UConn makes $83 million in revenue Cincy - UH - UCF - USF - Memphis - ECU averaged $54 million in revenue MAC averages $31 million in revenue, UB had $36 million. So AAC 54-2 (tv deal) = 52 UB 36-800k = 35.2 So we'd have to make an additional 16.8 million dollars/year before we really could be competitive in the AAC. I don't think despite being as successful as we can probably hope for in Football and Basketball that we made significantly more money.

side note Rutgers commissioned a what happened study on their move to the B1G, I just read the E -summary but it seems pretty obvious what happened. My favorite statement was: “The early lack of success of Rutgers teams in the Big Ten has been a surprise to donors and alumni, a substantial disappointment.” They really thought they were gonna come in and do well, while not getting paid. SAD

I think it's significant because it's the goal of being in the conference, but I wouldn't be sad about it if we weren't in a confernce I think our run of winning 2 of 3 MAC championships in Basketball was significant for UB fans, but we didn't really start moving the needle with the non-hardcore fans until we won a tourney game AND got ranked... so putting Football in the best position to be ranked and win the G5 bid would I guess be the real goals to build big support, I don't think conference matters for either of those goals unless you're going AAC or MW as the winner of those conferences seem to have the advantage for the G5 bid. Indy schedule has: 1) 12 Saturday games instead of MACtion games 2) More games in our footprint to the east instead of 5+ games in Ohio 3) Ability to negotiate our own bowls (Get some secondary deals with Pinstripe, Music City, Boca Raton, Bahamas (no conf champ game helps there), New Orleans, Cheez-it ) So then fans would have a chance at a game in NY, Nashville, South Florida, Bahamas, New Orleans, or Arizona, much more exciting than choosing between Birmingham and Montgomery. 4) The value of our Football TV deal + our new conference basketball TV deal instead of the 833k we get from the MAC for all of our TV 5) The potential to get off of ESPN+ instead of being the slave to whatever ESPN decides to do next to wring money out of us I think the AAC would give us most of this plus the security of the conference, but you have to be invited... so I'd say it's AAC > Indy > MAC in my book

UMass in MAC: 8-40 (.167) UMass indy: 10-22 (.313) Clearly going INDY has tarnished the great football legacy they built in the MAC.

I get it. That said I don't think it's irrational to expect a top 25 team that has been good for 4 years, to sell out their season.

The ratio between how much celebration we do when we earn an "and 1" and how many times we actually make the "and 1" free throw is like 1000:1 Seinfeld would say: "you know how to earn the 'and 1' , you just don't know how to *make* the 'and 1' and that's really the most important part of the 'and 1' the making.

at #18 out of 351, we're in the top 5% of college basketball, that's like being the #2 team in the NFL or NHL. If we had the #2 team in the NFL or NHL with a big home game, the first in home game in a while, and a snowstorm, I think the narrative would be about a bunch of fans who are not going to let anything stand in their way of supporting their team. Sadly, I think the fervor over a top 25 team is underwhelming in general, although understandable that some diehards just couldn't or didnt want to risk it. I'm still just like how did we not sell 4600 season tickets and ensure every game this year was sold out? For a D1 OG, the promise of the support we'd get when we got good did not materialize, and I think a lot of people's thoughts are "just be good longer and then the support will show up" which personally I get, but I don't buy...

Take that Marquette

I'd say every program around Ball State got better. Indiana State, SIU, Butler, Cincy, Xavier, Loyola Chicago, Purdue...it's gotta be a dog fight in that area.

Could always go independent for football and just try to sell our own Football rights...no more MACtion...working well for Army.....

I did the math on the # of combinations of 5 you can get with 11, it was 400 something, and I forgot the formula. So I can't update, but yea we continue to get new ones.. Oats is a madddd scientist

It was cold outside but the Bulls were hot in the Arena. And thats the only temperature that matters. Graves and Harris fight through bad shooting performances to lead UB back into playing UB-style basketball: https://www.ubbullrun.com/2019/1/30/18203340/ubs-top-basketball-lineups-vs-ball-state