bull_trojan Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 As some of our best players come off the bench and constantly cycle on and off the bench, I got curious what is our best lineup. Here are my first three articles on it. I hope to keep adding updates as the year goes on...both going back at the games I missed (Marquette through NIU) and keeping up with games as they happen going forward. Overall Best Lineup through SIU II: https://www.ubbullrun.com/2019/1/27/18199265/ubs-top-basketball-lineups-part-i Best Lineup, the UB @ Syracuse: https://www.ubbullrun.com/2019/1/27/18199878/ubs-top-basketball-lineups-syracuse Best Lineup, UB @ Kent: https://www.ubbullrun.com/2019/1/28/18200222/ubs-top-basketball-lineups-at-kent-state Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 This is great stuff. Truly is. I think what has become evident are 3 things 1) You have to surround the freshman with as much upperclassmen as possible. This will allow them to play within the flow of the game and also hide their defensive inabilities. 2) Any lineup combo that has Perkins-Massinburg-Harris on the floor is our best. They are the money players. Guys like McRae, Jordan, Graves and Caruthers you can rotate around the big 3 depending on the situation and hot hand. 3) Our depth is insane. When a guy like Graves is averaging 10 a game and isn't depended on in crunch time is crazy. And when you get the two frosh to step up like they did against Kent, it speaks loudly to how deep Oats can comfortably go in his rotation and lineup combos. Great stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bull_trojan Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 Sometimes less is more as UB's best lineup ran out of gas against Marquette. https://www.ubbullrun.com/2019/1/29/18201771/ubs-top-basketball-lineups-marquette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 6 hours ago, bull_trojan said: Sometimes less is more as UB's best lineup ran out of gas against Marquette. https://www.ubbullrun.com/2019/1/29/18201771/ubs-top-basketball-lineups-marquette That Marquette game still irks me. Only because they were so lights out from 3 that I think they can’t duplicate that to that percentage again. Perhaps the constant barrage of 3s mentally drained us making us look like we were dragging, but Howard was making some 3s with hands in his face. You just tip your cap and hope to see em again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bull_trojan Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 I think we just got tired. Theo John did so much work stopping us at the rim, then you play 30 seconds of defense just to see Howard sink a redic 3, eventually our shooters got heavy arms and our shots didn't fall. Outside of this game McRae, Segu & Williams avg 16 - 10 and 9 minutes. In this game, 5 - 4 - 4. A difference of 22 game minutes. Not exactly our game style...but I think a good time for Oats to see what happens when we play 6 guys instead of 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Yeah, good stuff Conrad. I enjoy reading these, I think its more important than a lot of people think. Caruthers and Graves were pretty bad against Kent and your splits prove that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skrabukes Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, Kevin said: Yeah, good stuff Conrad. I enjoy reading these, I think its more important than a lot of people think. Caruthers and Graves were pretty bad against Kent and your splits prove that. I felt that Caruthers shut Walker down quite well in the 2nd half of the Kent game, so I respectfully disagree with that assessment. Walker did put 2 moves on him in the 1st half that were pretty crazy however. It's no often that Dontay gets shaken like that. Walker is one impressive dude out there. I wonder who taught him that in high school??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bull_trojan Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 11 hours ago, Kevin said: Yeah, good stuff Conrad. I enjoy reading these, I think its more important than a lot of people think. Caruthers and Graves were pretty bad against Kent and your splits prove that. I think Caruthers comes out pretty good on this, Kent thew up 6 more shots than UB over 31 minutes with Caruthers on court, but Caruthers was +2 in points, so pretty decent for the kind of game that was, but UB would probably prefer to out shoot the opponent as we force turnovers and avoid turnovers and win the rebounding battle... Graves...not so good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bull_trojan Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 It was cold outside but the Bulls were hot in the Arena. And thats the only temperature that matters. Graves and Harris fight through bad shooting performances to lead UB back into playing UB-style basketball: https://www.ubbullrun.com/2019/1/30/18203340/ubs-top-basketball-lineups-vs-ball-state 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
121Merrimac Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Any value in adding a note whenever a player has fouled out? Meaning, those combinations are no longer available. It might add to the reason why certain (less desirable?) combos were used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bull_trojan Posted March 5, 2019 Author Share Posted March 5, 2019 Finally all caught up. Best lineups: 1) "Battle for the 6th man of the year lineup" Jordan - CJ - Harris - Perk - Caruthers OOC plus/minus: +30, corsi +15, time: 0:59:58 conf plus/minus: +63, corsi +14, time: 1:06:54 2) "Starting lineup" Jordan - Graves - CJ - McRea - Harris OOC plus/minus: +31, corsi +21, time 0:46:56 conf plus/minus: +40, corsi +25, time: 1:21:30 3) "Long and Strong" Jordan - CJ - McRae - Harris - Perk OOC plus/minus: +31, corsi +1, time 0:18:43 conf plus/minus: +29, corsi +9, time: 0:14:41 4) "The real starting lineup" Jordan - Graves - CJ - Harris - Perk OOC plus/minus: +23, corsi +13, time 1:09:14 conf plus/minus: +17, corsi -6, time: 0:59:50 5) "The FT lineup" Graves - CJ - Harris - Perk - Caruthers OOC plus/minus: +2, corsi +11, time 0:22:31 conf plus/minus: +10, corsi +8, time: 0:41:41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bull_trojan Posted March 5, 2019 Author Share Posted March 5, 2019 Worst lineups: 1) "Long, Strong and Wrong" Graves - CJ - McRae - Perk - Segu OOC plus/minus: -9, corsi -1, time: 0:03:51 conf plus/minus: -4, corsi -1, time: 0:01:51 2) "Big and small ball" Graves - CJ - Perk - Caruthers - Segu OOC plus/minus: -11, corsi -1, time 0:08:56 conf plus/minus: -2, corsi 0, time: 0:03:16 3) "Breaking them in before handing them off to DC in 19-20" CJ - Perk - Caruthers - Segu - Williams OOC plus/minus: +1, corsi +2, time 0:06:31 conf plus/minus: -12, corsi -5, time: 0:07:45 4) "The real starting lineup if CJ didn't exist" Jordan - Graves - Harris - Perkins - Williams OOC plus/minus: -11, corsi -1, time 0:05:50 conf plus/minus: 0, corsi +2, time: 0:02:46 5) "Effort without results" CJ - Harris - Perk - Caruthers - Williams OOC plus/minus: -9, corsi +5, time 0:06:55 conf plus/minus: -5, corsi +2, time: 0:02:59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bull_trojan Posted March 5, 2019 Author Share Posted March 5, 2019 Plus/Minus: OOC, Conf = Total. Harris: +192, +192 = +384 Jordan: +215, +159 = +374 Massinburg: +196, +126 = +322 Perkins: +153, +123 = +276 Graves: +81, +189 = 270 McRae: +10, +227 = +237 Caruthers: +214, -3 = +211 Williams: +47, -20 = +27 Betram: +10, +9 = +19 Johnson: +9, 0 = +9 Fagan: -5, +4 = -1 Segu: -32, +14 = -18 Corsi: OOC, Conf - Total Harris: +79, +112 = +191 Massinburg: +85, +85 = +170 Jordan: +71, +82 = +153 Graves: +63, +72 = +135 Perkins: +72, +44 = +116 Caruthers: +20, +72 = +92 McRae: +8, +79 = +87 Williams: +14, +9 = +23 Fagan: +5, 0 = +5 Betram: +1, +2 = +3 Segu: +12, -12 = 0 Johnson: 0, 0 = 0 MVP: Harris Conference Player of the Year: McCrea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 3 hours ago, bull_trojan said: Plus/Minus: OOC, Conf = Total. Harris: +192, +192 = +384 Jordan: +215, +159 = +374 Massinburg: +196, +126 = +322 Perkins: +153, +123 = +276 Graves: +81, +189 = 270 McRae: +10, +227 = +237 Caruthers: +214, -3 = +211 Williams: +47, -20 = +27 Betram: +10, +9 = +19 Johnson: +9, 0 = +9 Fagan: -5, +4 = -1 Segu: -32, +14 = -18 Corsi: OOC, Conf - Total Harris: +79, +112 = +191 Massinburg: +85, +85 = +170 Jordan: +71, +82 = +153 Graves: +63, +72 = +135 Perkins: +72, +44 = +116 Caruthers: +20, +72 = +92 McRae: +8, +79 = +87 Williams: +14, +9 = +23 Fagan: +5, 0 = +5 Betram: +1, +2 = +3 Segu: +12, -12 = 0 Johnson: 0, 0 = 0 MVP: Harris Conference Player of the Year: McCrea Interesting to see how good Harris has been. Even better in conference. Just comes at a cost of 15% from three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bull_trojan Posted March 6, 2019 Author Share Posted March 6, 2019 AT OHIO #1 Plus/Minus: game (conference, season) T1) Massinburg: +11 (+197, +333) T1) McRae: +11 (+139, +248) 3) Graves: +3 (+150, +273) 4) Jordan: +2 (+187, +376) 5) Segu: 0 (-32, -18) 6) Wiliams: -1 (+10, +26) T7) Perkins: -3 (+176, +273) T7) Caruthers: -3 (+141, +208) 9) Harris: -5 (+220, +379) *One cell was off in yesterday's calculation of conference plus/minus, so the numbers are corrected here. Harris is still #1 in conference and overall, with Massinburg at #2 in conference. Jordan moves within 3 of Harris for the season lead. Overall UB is +425 on the season and +238 in conference games. Best line: "Starting lineup" Jordan - Graves - Massinburg - McRae - Harris This line started the game by going plus 6 plus/minus but after their first 4:18 shift, the line only saw the court one more time for 18 seconds, where they went 0 plus/minus and +1 corsi. In this case, Jordan's injury was probably the main reason our top line saw limited minutes. Surprising line: "Long, Strong and Wrong" Graves - Massinburg - McRae - Perkins - Segu Coming into the game this line was -13 plus/minus and -2 corsi on the season, but at Ohio, the line was +4 plus/minus and +2 corsi over 2:02 on court. Worst line: Massinburg - Harris - Perkins - Segu - Williams -3 plus minus and -3 corsi over 3:46 on court. Corsi: game 1) Graves: +4 2) Jordan: +3 3) McRae: +2 4) Wiliams: -1 T5) Harris: -3 T5) Massinburg: -3 T7) Segu: -5 T7) Perkins: -5 9) Caruthers: -7 Overall UB was -4 in Corsi for the game. Game MVP: CJ Massinburg McRae was +11 / +2 but only played 14 minutes. Harris had his 2nd best game in conference play, but his plus/minus and corsi was uncharacteristically way down. CJ played 34:11 and while he was on the court UB outscored Ohio by 11, while putting up 3 fewer shots. During the five times CJ was not on the court, a total of 5:49, Ohio outscored UB by 8 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 7 hours ago, bull_trojan said: AT OHIO #1 Plus/Minus: game (conference, season) T1) Massinburg: +11 (+197, +333) T1) McRae: +11 (+139, +248) 3) Graves: +3 (+150, +273) 4) Jordan: +2 (+187, +376) 5) Segu: 0 (-32, -18) 6) Wiliams: -1 (+10, +26) T7) Perkins: -3 (+176, +273) T7) Caruthers: -3 (+141, +208) 9) Harris: -5 (+220, +379) *One cell was off in yesterday's calculation of conference plus/minus, so the numbers are corrected here. Harris is still #1 in conference and overall, with Massinburg at #2 in conference. Jordan moves within 3 of Harris for the season lead. Overall UB is +425 on the season and +238 in conference games. Best line: "Starting lineup" Jordan - Graves - Massinburg - McRae - Harris This line started the game by going plus 6 plus/minus but after their first 4:18 shift, the line only saw the court one more time for 18 seconds, where they went 0 plus/minus and +1 corsi. In this case, Jordan's injury was probably the main reason our top line saw limited minutes. Surprising line: "Long, Strong and Wrong" Graves - Massinburg - McRae - Perkins - Segu Coming into the game this line was -13 plus/minus and -2 corsi on the season, but at Ohio, the line was +4 plus/minus and +2 corsi over 2:02 on court. Worst line: Massinburg - Harris - Perkins - Segu - Williams -3 plus minus and -3 corsi over 3:46 on court. Corsi: game 1) Graves: +4 2) Jordan: +3 3) McRae: +2 4) Wiliams: -1 T5) Harris: -3 T5) Massinburg: -3 T7) Segu: -5 T7) Perkins: -5 9) Caruthers: -7 Overall UB was -4 in Corsi for the game. Game MVP: CJ Massinburg McRae was +11 / +2 but only played 14 minutes. Harris had his 2nd best game in conference play, but his plus/minus and corsi was uncharacteristically way down. CJ played 34:11 and while he was on the court UB outscored Ohio by 11, while putting up 3 fewer shots. During the five times CJ was not on the court, a total of 5:49, Ohio outscored UB by 8 points. Good stuff. I can't believe how bad Segu/Caruthers were yesterday. When Jordan went out, that was a totally different game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
121Merrimac Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Does anyone know how Ken Pomeroy calculates the Minutes Continuity statistic? (Page 7 of the senior night game notes) At 78.3%, he has UB as the 7th in the nation. With all the substitutions being tracked, I wonder what this is based on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
121Merrimac Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I just re-read the 2018-2019 roster- looking forward thread from last year on the old ubfan. I was fun comparing what we thought with what has happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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