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Much rather get blown out than heart ripped out. Imagine being UCF... they probably also lose their coach soon...

Again, it's not leverage. If the University hires someone else, he does not have a job at UB. For all intents and purposes he does not have a job at UB today. He has been transparent it seems and has said I'll take the UB head coach job OR the Bama Assistant job. The honesty is what you have claimed for 24 hours that you wanted. If he said I'm all in on UB, then left once UB hired someone else as HC you'd be calling him a snake. You're just mad, and throwing a tantrum and calling out people's character unfairly.

If you want someone who isn't going to take care of himself and his family... he probably isn't going to take care of his team, his players, his recruits, and his fanbase... Alnutt has to make a hire, not based on hurt feelings, but based on what is best for the program. I'm gonna stop engaging but my god, but please take the advice of 1995 Monica "Don't take it personal"

So the flip side here is: Hodgson continues recruiting for Buffalo, tells Oats to wait for him. In the meantime, UB hires a external coach, he fires all the assistants and brings in his own guys. Oats says, I couldn't wait, he already finishes hiring his staff. Hodgson is unemployed.

Also, HC hires assistants, he has no guarantee that he still has a job at UB. If he hesitates at Bama, he has no guarantee that Oats will hold a job for him at Alabama. He's both highly sought after and basically unemployed.

Doesn't it say a lot? BH: "[Recruit] get on the jet, go to Bama, see the facilities, if you'd like to go, best of luck, but I got on the jet, I went to Bama, saw the facilities, and decided Buffalo was the best place for me, and I hope you decide the same."

I dont think you do...

Tell that to Twist.

#2 depends on how the employment contracts work. As Hodgson's options are: 1) wait around at Buffalo and maybe become HC, maybe be retained, OR maybe be fired vs. 2) Go to Bama and maybe get HC job at Buffalo. If I was Hodgson, I'd have probably already submitted my resignation at UB and am working at Bama. If UB wants to hire me, then I'd resign at Bama and sign my contract at Buffalo.

Hurley left 4/9, Oats hired 4/11. It's been what, less than 12 hours, but it feels like 12 days.

My big question is what is Hodgson doing right now? 1) Is he calling our recruits and telling them to stay? 2) Is he calling our recruits and telling them to go Bama? 3) Or is he sitting on his hands while this process works out with Whitesell recruiting against Oats? If #1, BH has no credibility with Oats saying he expects BH to go to Bama (possibly the motivation for Oats to say it) If #2, Goodbye everyone and we better hire a hell of a coach to rebuild If #3, Oats is gonna win all those battles So in all scenarios I see, we need to make a move ASAP if we want to have any chance...

Only if he brings Reggie back as an Assistant

For context Arizona State (Bobby H) 2016 - 93 2017 - 126 2018 - 49 2019 - 60 MEDIAN - 77 AVERAGE - 82 Despite being +5 on Average ranking, Hurley got molly whopped by his successor, and has no real NCAA wins on his resume. Hurley got a raise, and did not get fired. If I was to put a formula out there for coach success I'd say it would be: 1 - Sales ( With the exciting brand of basketball, sales should improve) 2 - Ranking Trend (As long as he's getting better every year, who cares about average?) 3 - Recruiting (Assume he'll continually bring in players) 4 - Ranking Average (gotta be at a certain competitive level with peers over time) 5 - Fan Sentiment (Assume fans will love Oats, we did) 6 - AD job security (it's Bama's AD's signature hire, he won't go with a quick firing)

People are upset about the bold but should be happy about the bold. Was he faking this whole time? No. But it does tell future coaches, you'll love it there, your family will love it there, you can win, and you wont regret going to Buffalo. Which is huge compared to 10 years ago, where Buffalo was seen as "a difficult place to live and an impossible place to win" I love Buffalo but I cannot do what I do in Buffalo, so I don't live there. Oats can love Buffalo but he can't make 2.4 million and compete at the P5 level at Buffalo so he left. Leaving doesn't mean he hates the city.

10,224 average this year. Average season price of $235... generating about $2.4 million for this NIT level team...if he can pack the house that would generate 3.5 million and would make Oats a very reasonable expense

People getting so in their emotions. Athletics is hard because you generally can't control your: job security, pay, or location. It's not a bank or an accounting firm where you can work hard for As a result, you give 100% today, and deal with tomorrow when it comes. It seems to me Oats gave 100% to Buffalo and the idea that he could build it up, until tomorrow came, and he was gone. That's the nature of the game. The alternative is him giving 50-75% to Buffalo while he's here, so he can go to the next place...and that would be worse for us. My concern as always is that the fanbase is focused on Coaches being all about the future of UB (which is naive) but we don't hold our administrators, (tasked with optimizing both UB Athletics' present and future) to the same standard. If we want a coach to truly want to stay at Buffalo, we have to develop and utilize our own talent.

If you can't afford them, they aren't the *right* person. And just because you CAN afford the best, it doesn't mean they are the *right* person.

3/17 Selection Sunday 3/18 UB travels to Tulsa 3/20 Bama loses in NIT 3/21 Bama and Avery Johnson start negotiating buyout 3/22 UB beats ASU 3/24 Buffalo loses in NCAA 3/27 Oats hired and in Bama Unfortunately Bama blocks online tracking of their private plane. But obviously the Bama AD (via Arizona) knew about Oats. I don't think Oats would interview the day before or the day of a game. I gotta think 3/18 or 3/19, Alabama took the short trip to Tulsa and slid Oats a number. Oats said yes in principle, and Bama went to work firing Johnson. Then you wait for UB to lose, give him a 24 hour period to give a solid answer once he's back home that would be 3/25... then 3/26 iron out a deal and on the plane 3/27. In hindsight the emotion about losing the seniors, may have been intertwined with his emotion of knowing he was leaving. That said if my timeline is correct, he should have called a team meeting this morning and let his players know before the media tweeted it out. Oh well. As far as "he lied to us" My assumption is, he didn't know what "unreal" was until he saw all the zeros. I guess 'unreal' should have been a bad sign, because what does unreal mean? We took it probably as top 10, top 20 job in the nation... maybe Oats figured his ceiling was 1.5 million...if that was his belief, than 2.4+ is unreal. He's literally getting double what Hurley was paid to leave UB. Some of the bad feelings then I think comes from the idea that many of us view him as a 4 million dollar coach, if you view him that way, he bailed on the cheap... but if he viewed himself as a million dollar coach, he's cashing out on an unreal offer.

I went #3. He's great but it's not a basketball school. ONLY possible saving grace is the AD was previously at Arizona, so he's plugged into basketball, so maybe he see's this as his priority outside of maintaining football. But generally you can't out-perform your school's culture.

I Do, unless something unreal comes up. - My actual wedding vows.

If she gets offered Tennessee she better take it. Is Sharkey ready to takeover?

That's like saying it's demoralizing CJ Massinburg has to graduate. Circle of life bro

Lose majors i.e. Syracuse

1) Hire the right person. 2) Offer the salary needed to get that person. Anything else is irresponsible.

It didn't get short circuited...we kept it going. Thats what you have to do at every level. Blue bloods lose to the Pros, High majors lose to the blue bloods, low majors lose to the high majors, mid majors lose to the lose majors, high schools and the assistants feed the mid majors. Circle of life. Few at Gonzaga is coach #3 of Gonzaga's run. We're now on Coach #3.