dutchcountry7 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 59 minutes ago, pottier25 said: Maybe I'm totally wrong but I thought it was a 2 for 1 with Cuse? We went there 2 years in row now. Maybe I'm wrong. No. There is no return trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promotherobot Posted January 13, 2019 Author Share Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, pottier25 said: Maybe I'm totally wrong but I thought it was a 2 for 1 with Cuse? We went there 2 years in row now. Maybe I'm wrong. Nope. They pay the Bulls to play the dome. No return game ever. SU makes too much in home games to ever make going on the road with it. But there are other name programs UB could use a game in KBC as a carrot. Pitt, Penn State, WVU, St. John's, etc. Edited January 13, 2019 by promotherobot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rma Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 With the way WVU is playing this season, they'd probably travel for less next year. Though I'm sure the PTSD of this season's game will get a "thanks, but no thanks" from their department if we offered a game like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchcountry7 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 9 hours ago, rma said: With the way WVU is playing this season, they'd probably travel for less next year. What do you mean travel for less? when major problems have a bad year they are more likely to schedule cupcakes at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bull_trojan Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 On 1/12/2019 at 5:37 AM, dutchcountry7 said: Key bank finances would be hard. You’d have to pay to shuttle students and you’d also have to pay to give tickets to students. Students attending the game would actually cost the school money which they don’t at AA. You wouldn't have to shuttle students, they can bus to south and then take the 'subway'! Good point about the impact of student tickets on the flip side, if they are willing to pay, then the University gets double paid. If we had 6-7k area fans interested in going, + 10k students for a total of 16-17k people, Keybank would be a good way to get everyone in the building, at AA, only a third would be able to get in. But risky, if people dont show it's embarrassing (i.e. the ralph game in 2013) If we lose at Keybank we'll be pissssed about giving away our home court advantage (i.e. ralph game 2013). At this point it seems all the risk is taken by UB and the upside is not that great. I wouldn't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGBull Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 hours ago, bull_trojan said: You wouldn't have to shuttle students, they can bus to south and then take the 'subway'! Good point about the impact of student tickets on the flip side, if they are willing to pay, then the University gets double paid. If we had 6-7k area fans interested in going, + 10k students for a total of 16-17k people, Keybank would be a good way to get everyone in the building, at AA, only a third would be able to get in. But risky, if people dont show it's embarrassing (i.e. the ralph game in 2013) If we lose at Keybank we'll be pissssed about giving away our home court advantage (i.e. ralph game 2013). At this point it seems all the risk is taken by UB and the upside is not that great. I wouldn't do it. 10k students is a stretch in my opinion. Usually there isn't even over 1000 there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promotherobot Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, SGBull said: 10k students is a stretch in my opinion. Usually there isn't even over 1000 there. The idea is getting 10K non-student fans at a minimum. ADMA should be looking for ways to maximize every nickel of potential revenue while the Bulls are this hot. Selling beer was a great move. I hope they are also setting up more concession stands. Hard to feed 6K with just one and you're just leaving money laying there if you don't have concessions all over Alumni. Same for team swag. They should have stuff to buy all over the arena and all over town. $$$$$$!!!!! Edited January 15, 2019 by promotherobot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 IMO we're a long way away from this. We're having fun this year and crowds are growing but I think we should have a year-plus of consistent sell-out crowds before we look to do something like this. Alumni is a great advantage when it's packed and loud, lets establish tradition first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchcountry7 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) It would need to be an opponent where the opponent alone would attract a minimum of 5k people to see the visiting team play, even if the Bulls weren't playing. Given that there would probably be over lap between the people who would turn out to see such a visiting team and people who attend UB games, that would probably exclude maybe 2k UB fans. (Think of people who would go to see Syracuse play Canisius at Key bank or Duke play Niagara at Key Bank who also regularly attend UB games). Then you have the other UB fans and students who go to games only to see UB. This assumes students would still go out of their way to get downtown for a game. Fan attendance needed by source + 5k fans there to see opponent. + 5k fans to see UB - 2k college basketball fans who overlap both groups above. TOTAL ATTENDANCE : 8k I think the above scenario is the one that is needed at a minimum. The problem is that there not might be many opponents that will draw 5k people to the arena. Xavier wouldn't do it. Auburn wouldn't do it. Most neutral site events are double headers. Playing a single game is a lot harder and more expensive to pull off. These are the neutral site games played this year that only had one game for comparison. City - Game - Attendance Chicago - Illinois vs Ohio State - 5k New York - Kentucky vs Seton Hall - 10k Oklahoma City - Oklahoma vs Wichita State - 4k Kansas City - Kansas vs New Mexico State - 15k Jackson - Mississippi vs SE Louisiana - 4k Birmingham - Auburn vs UAB - 15k Pittsburgh - Pitt vs Duquesne - 12k Sioux Falls - Oklahoma State vs Nebraska - 4k New York - Duke vs Texas Tech - 20k New York - UConn vs Villanova - 16k Atlanta - Mercer vs Harvard - 3k St Louis - Illinois vs Missouri - 16k Rochester - St. Bona vs Fordham - 5k The ones in bold were shockingly low. Which has to make you nervous. Edited January 15, 2019 by dutchcountry7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 And why would we want to move a game downtown only to attract a 60%-ish UB crowd. I get that playing in a big arena sounds fun but none of this makes any sense for UB... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikescherrer8 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Jeseph said: And why would we want to move a game downtown only to attract a 60%-ish UB crowd. I get that playing in a big arena sounds fun but none of this makes any sense for UB... Because KBC is essentially the place that would unite WNY into college basketball as a whole. The idea of holding it at KBC does make sense, but, UB basketball is some years away from fulfilling the idea. In the future, if UB has the same type of success they are having this season, then, it's possible, and the community would most likely jump on the bandwagon. If UB can pack Alumni every single game, and I mean pack the arena full, then flirting with the idea of larger capacity neutral site game is certainly not out of the realm of possibility. On top of it, we would need the Pegula's to endorse the hell out of it for it to really work. Making such a tournament/neutral site game(s) as accessible as possible for students, as well as fans and spectators would be absolutely crucial. I think if WNY were to start being serious into college basketball, games at KBC would be a ginormous help for culture building in the area, and well as building culture amongst the students. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchcountry7 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Jeseph said: And why would we want to move a game downtown only to attract a 60%-ish UB crowd. I get that playing in a big arena sounds fun but none of this makes any sense for UB... Because 60% is better than 5% which comes from a road game. This isn't something to do for a Toledo. Those home games are going to happen. It is something to do for a game that otherwise wouldn't happen. The problem is of course that the teams that would agree to the game probably won't sell any tickets. The teams that can sell tickets in Buffalo aren't going to agree to a game in Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promotherobot Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, mikescherrer8 said: Because KBC is essentially the place that would unite WNY into college basketball as a whole. The idea of holding it at KBC does make sense, but, UB basketball is some years away from fulfilling the idea. In the future, if UB has the same type of success they are having this season, then, it's possible, and the community would most likely jump on the bandwagon. If UB can pack Alumni every single game, and I mean pack the arena full, then flirting with the idea of larger capacity neutral site game is certainly not out of the realm of possibility. On top of it, we would need the Pegula's to endorse the hell out of it for it to really work. Making such a tournament/neutral site game(s) as accessible as possible for students, as well as fans and spectators would be absolutely crucial. I think if WNY were to start being serious into college basketball, games at KBC would be a ginormous help for culture building in the area, and well as building culture amongst the students. This was what I was basically going to say. But on top of this, if we want to be able to afford to keep Nate Oats around, we need more revenue. If you only have games at Alumni and you are selling out, then your revenue from attendance is capped. There is a void for basketball in WNY. The Bulls can fill it. If we can somehow build a consistent contender why can't Buffalo become like Syracuse? We love what we have but we also have to grow to keep it going. Edited January 15, 2019 by promotherobot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promotherobot Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 And as far as the Pegulas are concerned, don't overlook the fact that they are looking at the future of the KBC, including a possible new arena. Having another strong tenant might be something they would want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire17 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 How many season ticket seats are there for UB basketball? If there are, say, 2500 season ticket holders and a seating capacity (including SRO) of 6500, that means roughly 4000 available seats each game. I would estimate that over the past eight years the number of times that the ‘True Blue’ student attendance has approached or slightly exceeded 1000 has been, perhaps, 3 times per year. If by changing the venue to KBC one hopes for a student turnout of 10,000, I would call that dream hallucinatory. Are there any schools anywhere where 10000 of the students attend a basketball game? I admire the goal of luring top tier opponents here, and, even though I consider Key Bank Arena a poor platform, it would be great to host a doubleheader/tournament there with the blue blood programs. I don’t have faith in that happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
121Merrimac Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, promotherobot said: ... If you only have games at Alumni and you are selling out, then your revenue from attendance is capped. ... Revenue has not been capped. Demand has outgrown Supply, and the prices can be increased. While, not incurring new Rent fees. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchcountry7 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 10k student are not going to a basketball game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGBull Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 The largest student section in the country is 7,800 at Indiana, absolutely no shot we get 10k students. Let's just focus on filling up our student section and having them all make some noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikescherrer8 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 hours ago, dutchcountry7 said: 10k student are not going to a basketball game. Exactly, 10k people total from WNY is more realistic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promotherobot Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 28 minutes ago, mikescherrer8 said: Exactly, 10k people total from WNY is more realistic And that can happen. The Sabres and Bills tickets are out of the reach of many typical WNYers. That's where UB comes in. High quality play at family friendly prices. I really believe that's a niche to be exploited. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchcountry7 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 9 hours ago, promotherobot said: And that can happen. The Sabres and Bills tickets are out of the reach of many typical WNYers. That's where UB comes in. High quality play at family friendly prices. I really believe that's a niche to be exploited. Wow, I thought you were exaggerating. I have been to some games but only when given tickets. I never paid attention to the price. They are about three times what I was thinking they would be. https://purchase.tickets.com/buy/TicketPurchase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Lets see what attendance figures are Friday against EMU (I think students are finally back?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullsFan14 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jeseph said: Lets see what attendance figures are Friday against EMU (I think students are finally back?). Nope. Students start the 28th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promotherobot Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, BullsFan14 said: Nope. Students start the 28th Really? Almost 6 weeks off? Edited January 16, 2019 by promotherobot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rma Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 There’s a winter session now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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