everlast2504 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 36 minutes ago, MaineBull said: I cannot express how disappointing this is. Our momentum is gone! We don't pay enough and we cannot attract the coaches we want to the program. This is a really sad day for our program. As a fan I am so sad about the status of this program. We give Whitesell an extension, then pay a fee to get him out of Town and then we cannot hire the candidates we covet. This program is clearly not at the level we as fans had hoped it had become. I am honestly crushed with this news. I would have loved to have either Cohen or McCollem. In order to attract someone to coach here, there clearly needs to be a connection to our program or they need to be so far removed from coaching that they see it as an opportunity they cannot pass up. At this point I would make the following calls to offer a potential coaching position and gauge their interest: CJ Massinburg Wes Clark Turner Battle These type of options would likely consider this an opportunity and would likely stay longer if they were to be hired here because of their history here. if none of them are interested. I would start with former NBA players looking to get into coaching: Brian Scalabrine Derek Fisher These type of options would instantly boost recruiting. This is such a disappointing day for our beloved program. I hope Admin can find a suitable option. At this point turn over every stone and look into every option possible. This hire is critical! Doesn't CJ and Clark have a somewhat successful overseas career? Plus TBT. Although it could be a massive recruiting boost to have a D1 coach play in it. Battle is no longer coaching. He is AD somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuchMany Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) This account seems semi legit. So feel free to freak out about a terrible coach turning us down. Optics suck. What's going on that this is all coming down in an hour in a Monday morning? Edited March 27, 2023 by MuchMany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasketBull Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) lol Can we maybe entertain the idea that there is something about Mark Alnutt that is turning prospective coaches off from coming here? Edited March 27, 2023 by BasketBull 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButlerAlumDad Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, everlast2504 said: Doesn't CJ and Clark have a somewhat successful overseas career? Plus TBT. Although it could be a massive recruiting boost to have a D1 coach play in it. Battle is no longer coaching. He is AD somewhere. Turner is AD at Park School Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, MuchMany said: This account seems semi legit. So feel free to freak out about a terrible coach turning us down. If this is true I expect the HC position will be on indeed.com by lunch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, Jeseph said: If this is true I expect the HC position will be on indeed.com by lunch I'm willing to throw my hat in the ring. I had a successful campaign with an 8th grade catholic league team in the late 90's and did pretty well for 4 seasons when my kids were 8-12. I'll send over my resume. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 The other issue now becomes that we are the program that can't find a coach now that we have 3-4 candidate publicly saying no, makes any other candidates wonder why and then ADMA has the uncomfortable sell to the next guy that he's "Our Guy" even though he's 5th on the list at best! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C1ubP1fanaticM7 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, capencaper said: At what point do we consider it a top priority to get out of our one-bid league? You know, I’ve put some thought into this. I know it’s a long shot, and I doubt that it happens, especially with the lack of attendance, and success recently, but a push to the ACC seems like the most realistic option. The B10 and SEC and killing the other three power conferences. FSU and Clemson are looking to move to the SEC. Seems like they’re going to lose ND to the B10. They lost out on expansion with UCF, Cincinnati, and Houston from the AAC. Realistically to complete, they need to add three schools, but ideally five. I imagine Temple, USF, and Memphis would be first round additions. But if a second round of additions took place, if we got our shit together, which seems less likely now, could see that being us and Tulane? Unless I’m just being overly optimistic. I’d love to hear other opinions on this! Edited March 27, 2023 by C1ubP1fanaticM7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 This search went from anxiety to a complete embarrassment that is going to lead to, at best, a 4th choice leading a team with a downward trajectory. This is an absolute dumpster fire of a job by the AD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C1ubP1fanaticM7 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, C1ubP1fanaticM7 said: You know, I’ve put some thought into this. I know it’s a long shot, and I doubt that it happens, especially with the lack of attendance, and success recently, but a push to the ACC seems like the most realistic option. The B10 and SEC and killing the other three power conferences. FSU and Clemson are looking to move to the SEC. Seems like they’re going to lose ND to the B10. They lost out on expansion with UCF, Cincinnati, and Houston from the AAC. Realistically to complete, they need to add three schools, but ideally five. I imagine the first three would be Temple, USF, and Memphis would first round additions. But if a second round of additions took place, if we got our shit together, which seems less likely now, could see that being us and Tulane? Unless I’m just being overly optimistic. I’d love to hear other opinions on this! Yikes, now seeing we were turned down by Calhoun. Never mind 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everlast2504 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, BasketBull said: lol Can we maybe entertain the idea that there is something about Mark Alnutt that is turning prospective coaches off from coming here? Going back to my previous post about budget and politics. I'm going to add one more. There is something massive about to come out about the program. Either sanctions, violations, etc. Maybe a move to a lower conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButlerAlumDad Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tee4three said: Saying the quiet part out loud You can't tell me the school is an issue when a guy like Bobby hurley was comfortable coming here to win That was a totally different time with an avid Athletic supporter President (Bill Greiner) heading up UB followed by Simpson with Dr. Greiner playing a role. Tripathi is an academien. Edited March 27, 2023 by ButlerAlumDad addition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C1ubP1fanaticM7 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, everlast2504 said: Going back to my previous post about budget and politics. I'm going to add one more. There is something massive about to come out about the program. Either sanctions, violations, etc. Maybe a move to a lower conference. Man, I really hope you’re wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBlearns Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, everlast2504 said: I'm going to add one more. There is something massive about to come out about the program. Either sanctions, violations, etc. Maybe a move to a lower conference. Sanctions and violations would be one thing, but a move to a lower conference would make no sense to me unless there's serious funding issues (and if that's the case - why spend an extra $100k on the Whitesell buyout?). They've poured money into the football program and seem to have built stability there over the past few years. There's no step-down for FBS football other than arguably C-USA, which would make zero sense given the MAC's better broadcasting deal and C-USA's leadership being a tire fire. And nowhere in FCS really fits geographically; the closest is probably the CAA, but UB is far closer to most MAC schools than CAA schools. Edited March 27, 2023 by UBlearns 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everlast2504 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, UBlearns said: Sanctions and violations would be one thing, but a move to a lower conference would make no sense to me unless there's serious funding issues (and if that's the case - why spend an extra $100k on the Whitesell buyout?). They've poured money into the football program and seem to have built stability there over the past few years. There's no step-down for FBS football other than arguably C-USA, which would make zero sense given C-USA's leadership is a tire fire. And nowhere in FCS really fits geographically; the closest is probably the CAA, but UB is far closer to most MAC schools than CAA schools. SUNY nuked Athletics before.... UB president very publicly quit because of SUNY politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C1ubP1fanaticM7 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, everlast2504 said: SUNY nuked Athletics before.... UB president very publicly quit because of SUNY politics. What is the benefit of being associated with SUNY? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Do they even have a list left? The plan was to have somebody named by Final Four weekend. Are they just going to mail merge offers out and hope somebody responds? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuchMany Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 I'm wondering why we are getting rejected publicly twice in one morning? We hear nearly nothing for two weeks, then bang bang Monday morning. No other school's search has looked like that. ADMA deserves serious heat for this unless he pulls off a Hail Mary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clodney Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 If our top candidates were McCollum, Cohen, and Calhoun, and they all rejected us, then Tripathi better be making some calls regarding ADMA's future here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, MuchMany said: No other school's search has looked like that. I'm trying to imagine a scenario where a coaching search could go worse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuchMany Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, Jeseph said: I'm trying to imagine a scenario where a coaching search could go worse... Seriously. Why are we getting rejected publicly? I haven't seen that happen anywhere but a high-major vacancy. No one cares about us nationally yet we're getting dunked on by candidates? Something is off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C1ubP1fanaticM7 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, MuchMany said: Seriously. Why are we getting rejected publicly? I haven't seen that happen anywhere but a high-major vacancy. No one cares about us nationally yet we're getting dunked on by candidates? Something is off. Maybe insultingly low offers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuchMany Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, C1ubP1fanaticM7 said: Maybe insultingly low offers? Could be, but that seems like it would be a non-starter and we'd never hear about the guys out of our price range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majortomxiii Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 I may have zero knowledge of what the plan was but I am assuming this was not it when they let JW go just weeks before saving 100k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 I have to assume the department is feeling some shock from this as well. How long does a re-group take? Do they have to start interviews again? How fast are they slinging out offers? Were these denials done days ago but we're just learning about them? How many offers can they realistically make? This sucks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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