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These bullfan-on-bullfan attacks are useless. Sure...call him out for saying things like "He's terrible at basketball" if you want (it was over the top), but you are naive if you don't think he meant for you to infer that it was in relation to some standard. I know there are some fans that tend to exaggerate in their frustration. I view it as passionate. We need as many passionate people on the bandwagon as we can get. There are always room for passionate bulls fans.

Guys this argument is super petty and is taking away from a thread that is about our biggest win over the season...a road game against an undefeated BIG EAST team. Johnson and Grant have their flaws, and if we are trying to compare them to Massinburg and Caruthers 2.0 then we are all wasting out time. I am sure if we look back we can find deficiencies in both of their games too. Let's look at Grant this week...he did a lot of really good things and averaged 6.0 rebounds off the bench against an SEC and BIG EAST schedule. That shows growth and effort. Johnson as I mentioned earlier, I thought was the second best defensive player on the floor on Sunday after Jordan. He stopped one of the top guards in the BIG EAST in Charlie Moore and like he did against Missouri State knocked down some big free throws when the game was on the line. Both of these players are helping us win games this season.

Just stepping in here to say that I have never pooped on a student athlete either (we're interpreting words literally ITT, right?)

I'd question the sanity of anyone that has a fantasy of being the next Bucky or Sully.

We also don't need people who publish things, and fancy themselves journalist to run down the kids wearing blue and white just so that they can live out some fantasy they are the next Bucky or Sully.. My point was not to make a personal attack on the man but to give some background in the fact he will always run down one or more of our student athletes when they struggle a bit.

I was a terrible basketball player and I was never once named a JUCO all-american smh

Jeenathan specifically I think is a good recent example of “taking less shots and contributing in other ways ...... playing smart team basketball” as you say. Not only is he not forcing up as many shots, but the ones he is taking are open looks and he’s been hitting them. I have a feeling he’s going to be a monster in MAC play now that he’s learning to refine his game at the DI level

I am not sure why, but watching Grant seems like I am watching a homeless man’s version of Carmelo Anthony. Maybe it is because I am a knicks fan and watched him for a while. Melo was able to slack on defense and play selfishly because he was one of the most skilled players of his generation. Grant obviously is not.

TV Coverage: ESPN+ Radio: Tunein Live Stats: UBBulls.com The Bulls return home after a tough stretch (mostly) on the road and a big win against previously undefeated Depaul. I don't know anything about this Army team other than the fact that they're going to lose on Dec. 14th. GO BULLS

So is there a Khalil Mack Scoreboard on lay-away some where he's willing to pay off too?? oR can Mark Alnutt write a letter to Santa asking for a new scoreboard that some how gets lost in the mail and ends up in Ledarius Mack's luggage to the Bahamas and somehow gets placed in Khalil's stocking on Christmas Eve?? I mean, whats the Elf on the Shelf for really if not this....

Still making UB proud. Now, about that scoreboard.😄

Good for him. Those 300 people are going to remember that fondly for the rest of their lives.

Don't get too worked up over K. He's proven in the past to be one who rushes to judgement. I scrolled back through the Bullrun archives from 2015. If you have a few minutes and want to be amused, check out the game thread posts from the UB/ODU and UB/St Joes games and check out his comments. Only the names have changed....I wonder if he ever got a refund of his Business Backs the Bulls Money?

I think in some cases both Grant and Johnson were over-hyped and some of us fans were thinking they would contribute right away. Here’s hoping that the coaching staff can get these players turned around both mentally and physically and they can play more of a team game. There is nothing wrong in taking less shots and contributing in other ways in a game and playing smart team basketball. Still looking forward to seeing positive progress by a number of players as they play more games together. Go Bulls!!!

Do agree with the majority of comments on Johnson and Grant. It is up to this coaching staff to dictate to both players on how they should be playing. It is concerning that both players continue to take bad shots and do not play within the team concept. You do wonder what the coaches are saying to these players or not saying that they continue to be selfish and shoot poorly. If they don’t play within the team concept their playing time should go down. Do not want to hear about the pecking order or the fact they are seniors and sat out last year. Hope the coaching staff give some of the other players on this team some minutes. Looking forward to the upcoming home games. Go Bulls!!!!

Big win. Sloppy finish but these young guys learned a lot from that game. They learned how to finish a game. This is huge for their development. Young teams need to learn how to grind out close games and we did that. I have been very happy with our OOC performance thus far. This team has shown flashes of what they are capable of. I see big things from this team this season. Coach needs to make a few tweaks and we are off and running as we head into the easier part of OOC schedule and begin MAC play. I like a lot what I see from Coach Whitesell thus far. He is a good leader and I like how he demands effort and will hold kids accountable. I think he is making a big mistake with both Grant and Johnson. They do not deserve the minutes they are getting right now. But he is sticking with them in hopes they will turn it around which I am sure they will. They are both overmatched with our OOC schedule. They will perform better in MAC pay where the mismatches are not as prominent. The fact he is sticking to them tells me coach is not too worried about winning and losing in these OOC games, more concerned with getting these kids comfortable with their game. The defense we played versus DePaul was amazing. Minus Grant and Johnson, albeit Johnson showed some improvements from the last few games. Grant is one of the worst defenders this program has had in the last 5 years, He is too slow footed to stay with anyone and he reaches too often. I will say Grant rebounded the ball better yesterday. Defense is the staple of this team and if guys are not putting the effort in that is needed, or are not able to defend to that level they should not be playing. I am looking at you grant and Johnson. The fact we shot the ball at only 37% in that game speaks volume to our defense that we were able to pull out a win. We shot the free throws better, especially when it mattered at the end of the game (12 for 16 on game). We outrebounded the long DePaul team, 53 rebounds from this team, an outsized team, is very impressive. The guards continue to rebound the ball well for us, looking at you Graves. I would like to see less turnovers, 19 is too many. Sloppy at times but will take the win against a very hot quality team. Great win and I love this team. Coach needs to limit playing time for Grant immediately. He is hurting this team with poor shots and terrible defense along with sloppy turnovers. His minutes need to go to Hardnett. Coach also needs to limit minutes of Johnson. I do not believe he should be starting, Segu should be. Johnson should lose minutes to Segu and Nickleberry. Johnos is not a smart player on either end, he is hurting this team with his selfish play. Grant and Johnson figure it out they can get their minutes back up, but until then they should sit in my opinion. Mballa-Great game yesterday. I love this kid. He was outsized as he has been most of the season and he secured 14 rebounds yesterday. He is single handedly holding down the interior for this team, impressive for a sophomore. This kid has a big future and I cannot wait to see how far he can go. I have a feeling one day we will talking about him being the best big man who has ever played at UB! Williams-Coach rightfully limited his minutes versus DePaul as we looked a bit scattered. He has become too predictable on offense, always looking to go left almost exclusively. He needs to go right to keep the defense honest. I would also like to see him mix in a jump stop in traffic. Graves-7 rebounds yesterday, 7 big rebounds that this team needed. he got his hand on a bunch of other balls and was able to keep the ball alive, especially on the offensive glass. He hit some big shots yesterday, a couple big threes and a big floater down the stretch. I really like how he lets things come to him in the first half and in the second half he comes out in attack mode. It seems he looks to take over the game early in the second half. He is our leader and I like the way he leads by example. Johnson-I thought he played better defensively in this game, but still not up to par with the other guards. He simply cannot be on the floor when he is shootings so poorly (3 for 11 yesterday and 1 for 6 from three). He takes poor shots and does not contribute to the ball movement that the other players employ. How many times yesterday did we see the ball get swung to his side of the floor and it stopped with him. He needs to step up. Time for coach to send him a message by limiting his playing time. Coach simply has not choice but to do this. Jordan-He was closing in on a triple double in this game, Like Graves he hit some big shots, none bigger than the deep triple late in the game. Baffles the mind how a guy can shoot over 40$ from 3 on the season and under 30% from the free throw line. He has a hitch in his form when shooting foul shots. His PT late in games needs to be limited, as a smart team will simply foul him. I was happy to see him hit a few late in that game. You cannot say the kid is not clutch! Defensively, he was very impressive as always. He or Mballa will win DPOY in MAC. Grant-This was a pathetic performance by him. Chucking up bad shots, playing atrocious defense and turning the ball over in critical times of the game. He was 2 for 9 from the floor and had 4 turnovers in limited minutes. Athletically he is not prepared for this level. He is a spot up shooter, nothing more. To be used in spot situations when a big three is needed. Until he can prove otherwise, that should be his role. Hardnett-limited minutes but I liked what I saw from him again yesterday. His continued growth for this team will be critical for our success moving forward especially without Brock and Fagan. I look forward to seeing him play at his natural position. He has a big future. Nickleberry-I liked what I saw from him yesterday. He played good defense and had some nice passes and rebounds. Him an Hardnett can take this team to the next level if they continue to develop. Segu-I love this kids game. he can get off a shot against anybody and his defense is fun to watch. His energy is contagious and he is the future of this team. I love a sophomore talking junk to a Big East Team as he torches them. This kid define everything that buffalo basketball stands for, heart, determination, effort and passion. I cannot wait to watch this kid continue to grow. He should be starting. I love this team, and I cannot wait to watch them to continue to grow. I think this group took a big step yesterday. Lets not lose sight of the fact that they went on the road versus a Big East team that was one of the hottest teams in the country and were going to be top 25 ranked with a win in that game yesterday. This is huge win for Coach Whitesell and this program. This win should go a long way to prepare us for MAC play. I cannot wait for the game on Saturday, Go Bulls!

Hardnett and Nickleberry deserve these minutes, Grant and Johnson are hurting this team!

Just watched the game. What a weird one. A microcosm of good Buffalo and bad Buffalo in 40 minutes. Learning lessons are easier to digest when you win. Glad the boys responded from the Vandy loss. This was a big win, as ugly and frustrating as it was. Lots of areas to improve on but the defense, rebounding, Graves and Segu really saved us tonight. Defense and rebound are effort plays and things that don’t take talent. I’m not going to dwell on the negatives, let’s enjoy this great win. Now we can build a nice little run here at home with very very winnable games. Go Bulls.

Im not negative myself but look it’s sports, your allowed to be negative when your team loses a game you thought they could win. And your allowed to be positive when they play well. That’s part of being a fan, I think majority on here are fine. Maybe one or two that are over the top but most are just fans that want to call it as they see it I got no problem w that.

Josiah Freeman averaging 14 points per game in first two games of season. Looking forward to him joining the team.