skrabukes Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 1 minute ago, 961819 said: Also what could possibly be taking so long to find a new coach? Seriously Hopefully doing their due diligence. Maybe someone they are interested in is still playing (Fife please). No crazy rush at this moment. It can't drag on forever, but the wait could be worth it if done wisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
961819 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 19 minutes ago, Jeseph said: As mentioned they hired a firm which NYS applies rules to. Oh I didn’t see that post sorry, what does that mean exactly though? The rules part I mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBulls Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Have to assume that Hodgson accepted the assistant coaching offer at Alabama, is no longer employed at Buffalo, and interviewed for the UB job. I’ll bet he still wants that job. I would still consider, as long as he brings on experienced assistants. No different than any other candidate, quite frankly. If you don’t think Lanier, for instance, is all Tennessee all the time (until and unless he is hired away)... That said, looking increasingly unlikely that Hodgson is the hire. Which also worries me that we will have another top to bottom rebuild. Interesting that almost all the names mentioned (Fife, Lanier, even Whitesell) have failed prior head coaching tenures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB05 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, McBulls said: Have to assume that Hodgson accepted the assistant coaching offer at Alabama, is no longer employed at Buffalo, and interviewed for the UB job. I’ll bet he still wants that job. I would still consider, as long as he brings on experienced assistants. No different than any other candidate, quite frankly. If you don’t think Lanier, for instance, is all Tennessee all the time (until and unless he is hired away)... That said, looking increasingly unlikely that Hodgson is the hire. Which also worries me that we will have another top to bottom rebuild. Interesting that almost all the names mentioned (Fife, Lanier, even Whitesell) have failed prior head coaching tenures. Fife has not failed at anything he’s done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skrabukes Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, UB05 said: Fife has not failed at anything he’s done Fife's 1st gig was at a pretty small school. It's not as though he could've been expected to win big there. He would have a lot of material to work with here, potentially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBulls Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 I guess. The two coaches that followed him had greater success at IPFW. I recognize the program was in its infancy when he was there originally. But I wouldn’t call it a smashing success, by any stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB05 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, McBulls said: I guess. The two coaches that followed him had greater success at IPFW. I recognize the program was in its infancy when he was there originally. But I wouldn’t call it a smashing success, by any stretch. He improved the team’s record every year he was there, and he did it at 25 years old! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skrabukes Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, McBulls said: I guess. The two coaches that followed him had greater success at IPFW. I recognize the program was in its infancy when he was there originally. But I wouldn’t call it a smashing success, by any stretch. 10 plus years ago as a young kid. Almost equal to the experience of Hodgson when he took over at the school. Although Fife also played D1 at Indiana under a pretty good coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchcountry7 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 19 minutes ago, McBulls said: I guess. The two coaches that followed him had greater success at IPFW. I recognize the program was in its infancy when he was there originally. But I wouldn’t call it a smashing success, by any stretch. I would. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/ipfw/ he he took over a team that had just transitioned from D2. They were #292 in Kenpom when he took over. They have no history. They are not a desired school. He did a great job there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire17 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 37 minutes ago, UB05 said: Fife has not failed at anything he’s done That’s because he only had one bullet. And it was in his pocket usually. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBulls Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 He may be a great choice. But in his “best season” his team had an RPI in the 180s and beat just one team with an RPI under 212. Again- tenure was fine, just not mind blowing. At days end I guess I find Fife a little bland. I’m sure he would be fine- I don’t want fine. It turns me off that he walked away from his head coaching position to become an assistant again. There are 350 or so D1 coaching jobs- if you have one, why give that up for the world? This is your opportunity to showcase your skills. If you are a leader, this is your opportunity to lead, to mold a program as you wish. What kind of coach with big dreams gives that up? I think we all loved Nate Oats for his take-all-comers approach. He was confident that he and his team were prepared for any foe. Do you want a coach who stepped away from a head coaching job after his most successful season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchcountry7 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 19 minutes ago, McBulls said: He may be a great choice. But in his “best season” his team had an RPI in the 180s and beat just one team with an RPI under 212. Again- tenure was fine, just not mind blowing. At days end I guess I find Fife a little bland. I’m sure he would be fine- I don’t want fine. It turns me off that he walked away from his head coaching position to become an assistant again. There are 350 or so D1 coaching jobs- if you have one, why give that up for the world? This is your opportunity to showcase your skills. If you are a leader, this is your opportunity to lead, to mold a program as you wish. What kind of coach with big dreams gives that up? I think we all loved Nate Oats for his take-all-comers approach. He was confident that he and his team were prepared for any foe. Do you want a coach who stepped away from a head coaching job after his most successful season? There is a huge difference between UB and Fort Wayne. Fort Wayne isn’t going to be a winner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBulls Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Except that they have been, relatively speaking. They’ve been to four postseasons in the past five years. They won a Summit league regular season title. The coach between Fife and the current staff had a 24 win season. Argue that Fife laud the groundwork? Fine. But he didn’t light the world on fire and walked off the job for a lesser position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big 4 Hoops Blogger Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, dutchcountry7 said: There is a huge difference between UB and Fort Wayne. Fort Wayne isn’t going to be a winner. There's a massive difference and I've covered both teams. The Mastodons have some of the worst resources in the country. Despite that, their current coach Jon Coffman has gone 95-66 during his five years there, getting a former 4 star transfer from Purdue (Bryson Scott) and has developed John Konchar into one of the top mid-major players in the country and has taken them to the NIT once and CIT three times. Buffalo is much better in every aspect of building a program. Dane Fife is very highly regarded in Indiana with many believing he'll one day be a head coach at a P5 program. He did very well establishing Fort Wayne as a D1 program. Tony Jasick turned them into a winner and John Coffman has turned them a consistent winner. Fife would be a very good hire for the Bulls. That said, the best thing on his resume is serving as an assistant coach at Michigan State. Edited March 31, 2019 by Big 4 Hoops Blogger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBulls Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 59 minutes ago, Big 4 Hoops Blogger said: There's a massive difference and I've covered both teams. The Mastodons have some of the worst resources in the country. Despite that, their current coach Jon Coffman has gone 95-66 during his five years there, getting a former 4 star transfer from Purdue (Bryson Scott) and has developed John Konchar into one of the top mid-major players in the country and has taken them to the NIT once and CIT three times. Buffalo is much better in every aspect of building a program. Dane Fife is very highly regarded in Indiana with many believing he'll one day be a head coach at a P5 program. He did very well establishing Fort Wayne as a D1 program. Tony Jasick turned them into a winner and John Coffman has turned them a consistent winner. Fife would be a very good hire for the Bulls. That said, the best thing on his resume is serving as an assistant coach at Michigan State. Look, Fife clearly comes highly regarded. I will readily admit he stepped into a difficult situation and at least laid a foundation. He has spent seasons learning under one of the games legends. I'm sure he would win some games here. But if we really want to build "the Gonzaga of the East" we can't just put up some 20 wins seasons and compete for the MAC most years. We need to absolutely dominate for the foreseeable future. Does it not bother anybody else that he walked away from a head coaching position to take an assistant role? The first and most important trait I want my coach to have is a near pathologic desire to compete and a steadfast belief in their own abilities. A coach who walks away from a head coaching gig doesn't sound like my guy. I also want an arrogance to match that competitiveness. Nate Oats left because: A) He was offered a lot of money. B) He wants to win championships and C) He believed himself worthy of that job. He may have traveled to Izzo's practices to learn from him, and gleaned any knowledge he could in speaking with and watching other coaches, but he doesn't at heart believe any other coaches are better than him. Think about how he taunted Calipari before that round of 32 matchup. He instilled the same belief in his players. That's the fire that makes coaches, players, and institutions great. They have a vision. They have a dream that seems insurmountable in scale. They institute a system and culture to ensure they can achieve these goals, regardless of how massive. Because we're a mid-major, they leave because they can accomplish these goals elsewhere faster. I have no qualms with that. Know thyself. In the meantime they force us to re-assess what we think is possible, to up our expectations. I'll admit- Hodgson's power plays don't bother me in the least. He wants to be our coach. He is willing to leverage everything he has to get that job. That's the hunger I look for in a hire, manners be damned. So if Fife is the best choice to represent our university, please tell me why you think he will stir the masses and inspire recruits that Buffalo is the institution and team to place their faith in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire17 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Well Fife would certainly hire a competent staff; that’s for sure. One such assistant coach could possibly be B Drum who currently is in charge of recruiting at S Alabama. I can’t think of a better pair than Fife and Drum to lead UB BB in the future. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
961819 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 4 hours ago, McBulls said: Look, Fife clearly comes highly regarded. I will readily admit he stepped into a difficult situation and at least laid a foundation. He has spent seasons learning under one of the games legends. I'm sure he would win some games here. But if we really want to build "the Gonzaga of the East" we can't just put up some 20 wins seasons and compete for the MAC most years. We need to absolutely dominate for the foreseeable future. Does it not bother anybody else that he walked away from a head coaching position to take an assistant role? The first and most important trait I want my coach to have is a near pathologic desire to compete and a steadfast belief in their own abilities. A coach who walks away from a head coaching gig doesn't sound like my guy. I also want an arrogance to match that competitiveness. Nate Oats left because: A) He was offered a lot of money. B) He wants to win championships and C) He believed himself worthy of that job. He may have traveled to Izzo's practices to learn from him, and gleaned any knowledge he could in speaking with and watching other coaches, but he doesn't at heart believe any other coaches are better than him. Think about how he taunted Calipari before that round of 32 matchup. He instilled the same belief in his players. That's the fire that makes coaches, players, and institutions great. They have a vision. They have a dream that seems insurmountable in scale. They institute a system and culture to ensure they can achieve these goals, regardless of how massive. Because we're a mid-major, they leave because they can accomplish these goals elsewhere faster. I have no qualms with that. Know thyself. In the meantime they force us to re-assess what we think is possible, to up our expectations. I'll admit- Hodgson's power plays don't bother me in the least. He wants to be our coach. He is willing to leverage everything he has to get that job. That's the hunger I look for in a hire, manners be damned. So if Fife is the best choice to represent our university, please tell me why you think he will stir the masses and inspire recruits that Buffalo is the institution and team to place their faith in. Well we found Hodgson’s burner account everyone 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promotherobot Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 I thought Hodgson is already working for Bama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdubyas Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 (edited) So what is Hodgson's status at this point? All of this dead air when it comes to our path forward concerns me. Edited April 1, 2019 by sdubyas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigo230 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 18 hours ago, BullBoy said: Really bad look for Hodgson. He is on UB's payroll and he is down in Alabama working for someone else. I have no interest in this guy being my head coach. What the he!! man? The guy is wearing an Alabama shirt hanging out with their recruits. Was Hodgson fired by UB? I have no idea what the story is here. There's no way he can be the Bulls head coach. Not welcomed back here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchcountry7 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 13 hours ago, McBulls said: Look, Fife clearly comes highly regarded. I will readily admit he stepped into a difficult situation and at least laid a foundation. He has spent seasons learning under one of the games legends. I'm sure he would win some games here. But if we really want to build "the Gonzaga of the East" we can't just put up some 20 wins seasons and compete for the MAC most years. We need to absolutely dominate for the foreseeable future. And hiring someone with head coaching experience is more valuable than someone who has never lead a program. And yes, I would say being a head coach of a national level high school program, qualifies someone as having head coach experience. Nate had the experience. Hodgson doesn't. He is a huge gamble. 13 hours ago, McBulls said: Does it not bother anybody else that he walked away from a head coaching position to take an assistant role? The first and most important trait I want my coach to have is a near pathologic desire to compete and a steadfast belief in their own abilities. A coach who walks away from a head coaching gig doesn't sound like my guy. That's what Hodgson did when he got on the private Jet with Nate. He wasn't focused on the Buffalo job or the Buffalo team. He was looking at the assistant coaching job. He wasn't pathologic in his desire to lead Buffalo. A coach that walks away from Fort Wayne to compete for National Titles at Michigan State is someone who wants to one day win their own National Championships. Otherwise, we would only be talking about coaches like John Beilein--who has neve been an assistant coach. If being a head coach is so great, Hodgson would have put his name in for Niagara or somewhere else that was still a reach for him. That's what someone with a pathological focus on a title would do. 13 hours ago, McBulls said: I'll admit- Hodgson's power plays don't bother me in the least. He wants to be our coach. He is willing to leverage everything he has to get that job. That's the hunger I look for in a hire, manners be damned. So if Fife is the best choice to represent our university, please tell me why you think he will stir the masses and inspire recruits that Buffalo is the institution and team to place their faith in. He has not shown he wants to be at Buffalo. He would have never went to Alabama if he did. He deserted the team when they were in crisis. He leaked to the media that he wants the job and that the team will be decimated if they don't hire him. He has shown a lack of character. He hasn't been working for UB--who is paying him--since Nate left. You call it a power play but I see it as much more. It is unscrupulous. And I believe that his recruiting and coaching is likely the same. I don't want someone like that in the program. I want people with class who can win the right way. Fife would be a great hire. So would Lanier. And many others. I am over Hodgson. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchcountry7 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, promotherobot said: I thought Hodgson is already working for Bama? My understanding... Still employed by UB. Still collecting a check. Simply went to Alabama on the private jet with Nate and was making the rounds meeting everyone in Alabama. Just hasn't called recruits for UB since Nate left while Nate has been calling recruits for Alabama, while Hodgson is with him. Though Hodgson has been calling the media and letting them know that he is the only one that can keep the team together and that he should get the job. Edit: Just saw the picture above. The media need to contact UB and ask if he is still employed by UB. He is still in the staff directory (Nate, of course, is not). All of his public facing things seem like he is still coaching UB. https://twitter.com/ubcoachbryan Edited April 1, 2019 by dutchcountry7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everlast2504 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, dutchcountry7 said: My understanding... Still employed by UB. Still collecting a check. Simply went to Alabama on the private jet with Nate and was making the rounds meeting everyone in Alabama. Just hasn't called recruits for UB since Nate left while Nate has been calling recruits for Alabama, while Hodgson is with him. Though Hodgson has been calling the media and letting them know that he is the only one that can keep the team together and that he should get the job. Edit: Just saw the picture above. The media need to contact UB and ask if he is still employed by UB. He is still in the staff directory (Nate, of course, is not). All of his public facing things seem like he is still coaching UB. https://twitter.com/ubcoachbryan He may be walking a very fine line with violating some sort of NCAA rules. It may be best not to hire him as head coach. Why risk possible sancations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted April 1, 2019 Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 1 minute ago, everlast2504 said: He may be walking a very fine line with violating some sort of NCAA rules. It may be best not to hire him as head coach. Why risk possible sancations? I don't think UB would be hit with sanctions for him stepping out on... UB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everlast2504 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Jeseph said: I don't think UB would be hit with sanctions for him stepping out on... UB He's a coach in the NCAA who while employeed by UB was actively recruiting against UB. I don't think there would be sanctions against UB, 'Bama actually has the greater risk here. He made of made himself toxic to everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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