Windycityfan Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 Since I will be at the game, I decided to start us off. We are driving in from Chicago for the game. I will be wearing my Buffalo sweatshirt with my son and wife wearing MSU clothing. Both are MSU grads as his my daughter . When it is not MSU, we are all in for UB. Buffalo needs to bring it’s A game. That means less turnovers, good defense and better rebounding. I am wishing for an upset. Realistically, I am hoping for a good showing and a confidence builder before MAC play. Go Bulls 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Windycityfan said: Since I will be at the game, I decided to start us off. We are driving in from Chicago for the game. I will be wearing my Buffalo sweatshirt with my son and wife wearing MSU clothing. Both are MSU grads as his my daughter . When it is not MSU, we are all in for UB. Buffalo needs to bring it’s A game. That means less turnovers, good defense and better rebounding. I am wishing for an upset. Realistically, I am hoping for a good showing and a confidence builder before MAC play. Go Bulls Enjoy the game, hopefully we can pull one off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windycityfan Posted December 24, 2022 Author Share Posted December 24, 2022 Thank you. I will be waving and cheering right behind our bench Good holiday season to all Go Bulls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 23 hours ago, Windycityfan said: Thank you. I will be waving and cheering right behind our bench Good holiday season to all Go Bulls The question is do we have any chance in this game?? Michigan State does not seem to as strong as other years. They have four players that average in the 14 to 12 per game. They are averaging 69 and holding teams to 66 per game. As. Always they are strong and very physical so we will see. Go Bulls!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB Horns Up Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 BSF birthday I turn 55 years old December 30th the day of this Michigan State game. I don’t think UB Bulls basketball has any chance most likely a 20 point loss. I will take a UB Bulls football Camellia Bowl win December 27 as a early birthday present that is a more winnable game for UB Bulls in my opinion. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! UB Horns Up! Go Bulls! Let’s Go Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocCas86 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 14 hours ago, UB Horns Up said: BSF birthday I turn 55 years old December 30th the day of this Michigan State game. I don’t think UB Bulls basketball has any chance most likely a 20 point loss. I will take a UB Bulls football Camellia Bowl win December 27 as a early birthday present that is a more winnable game for UB Bulls in my opinion. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! UB Horns Up! Go Bulls! Let’s Go Buffalo First wishing you a happy birthday. As for the game against Michigan St., I agree the chance of a victory is small, maybe 10%-15%. Looking at top 50 away games going back to Hurley's first season we are 2 and 15 against top 50 (I took the liberty in including North Texas from last year who was ranked between 50-60 (so if you prefer to you can leave that game out). If you break that out for 26-50, UB is 2 - 8. Currently Michigan St. is ranked around 50, so I think keeping the margin 10 points or less would be a good showing, and again would provide some optimism heading into MAC play. Here is a plot of margin vs opponent rank / along with best result against top 50: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird96 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 32 minutes ago, DocCas86 said: Looking at top 50 away games going back to Hurley's first season we are 2 and 15 against top 50 (I took the liberty in including North Texas from last year who was ranked between 50-60 (so if you prefer to you can leave that game out). If you break that out for 26-50, UB is 2 - 8. Here is a plot of margin vs opponent rank / along with best result against top 50: Interesting to see the games vs Top 50 teams plotted like this. I would’ve thought UB had done better than 2-15, and especially surprising that Oats was just 1-9 in those games. Also interesting that JW’s teams have kept all their Top 50 losses to 20 pts or less while Oats lost 5 by more than 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocCas86 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 32 minutes ago, Bluebird96 said: Interesting to see the games vs Top 50 teams plotted like this. I would’ve thought UB had done better than 2-15, and especially surprising that Oats was just 1-9 in those games. Also interesting that JW’s teams have kept all their Top 50 losses to 20 pts or less while Oats lost 5 by more than 20. I was a little surprised with that as well. These are only away games and are based only on one source for rankings. It does not include Oats win in NCAA tournament against Arizona. As for the top 50 results - while Whitesell's tenure at Loyola was roughly .500, he did have some success early on - improving each of his first 3 years and then losing by 1 point to 15th ranked Butler in the HL championship in 2006-07. Here is a plot for entirety of Whitesell tenure (suggests average ranking of 125-135 to me): An interesting observation - the trendline for expected result for away games is slightly better/ about equal to home games. Ordinarily, the home game trend line would suggest better outcome. This suggest that we have not had a home court advantage. There are some outliers (James Madison, Ohio last year, Army 2020) that could be skewing the numbers somewhat. But hope we can have some homecourt edge this upcoming MAC conference play. Here is the same chart for Nate Oats - you can see better performance at home clearly in this, while the road performance of the two coaches is roughly the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 1 hour ago, DocCas86 said: I was a little surprised with that as well. These are only away games and are based only on one source for rankings. It does not include Oats win in NCAA tournament against Arizona. As for the top 50 results - while Whitesell's tenure at Loyola was roughly .500, he did have some success early on - improving each of his first 3 years and then losing by 1 point to 15th ranked Butler in the HL championship in 2006-07. Here is a plot for entirety of Whitesell tenure (suggests average ranking of 125-135 to me): An interesting observation - the trendline for expected result for away games is slightly better/ about equal to home games. Ordinarily, the home game trend line would suggest better outcome. This suggest that we have not had a home court advantage. There are some outliers (James Madison, Ohio last year, Army 2020) that could be skewing the numbers somewhat. But hope we can have some homecourt edge this upcoming MAC conference play. Here is the same chart for Nate Oats - you can see better performance at home clearly in this, while the road performance of the two coaches is roughly the same. Does that mean JW isn’t quite the dumpster fire we think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocCas86 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 4 hours ago, UBinMD said: Does that mean JW isn’t quite the dumpster fire we think? I am sure it depends on who you talk to. The fits are not great in the above charts, but do suggest performance was better under Oats (not a surprise to anyone), particularly at home, with Whitesell's road performance slightly better than Oats. In my judgment - Oats could have produced rankings in the range of 25 - 125 long term if he stayed. Whitesell's range seems to be more like 75 - 175, in top six of MAC (I think 150 is possible this year - but UB will have to improve from current ranking). Whitesell / UB could win the MAC occasionally with those results. I would not categorize Whitesell as a 'dumpster fire'. I see the team could develop to have an outside chance this year in the MAC (a lot of basketball to be played) and an even better chance next year - assuming you keep key players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 Let's see if the MAC can take down the "elite" Michigan teams on back-to-back nights. Hopefully we have a solid showing for 40 minutes and that the referees from WVU do not make the trip to East Lansing! Go Bulls!!🤘🤘 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird96 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 Going to need to bring our A game and play some tough D to have a chance. Would like to see Curtis re-assert himself as the Bulls’ leading scoring threat after these past 4 games of <10 ppg. Maybe go a little nuts and knock down a bunch of 3’s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuchMany Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 The Score app is showing Sy Chatman as a game time decision. Has he been listed as such before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 20 minutes ago, MuchMany said: The Score app is showing Sy Chatman as a game time decision. Has he been listed as such before? Would be tremendous. He hasn't dressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuchMany Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 (Curtis, earmuffs) Jones could absolutely play at the B1G level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 Nobody picked up shooter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKBullsfan Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 Just need to score more. We are getting shots pretty easily but need to make them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 Turnovers continue to be an issue. 7 turnovers and 3 assists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee4three Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 Show signs of a good team, but getting schooled defensively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDerekRx Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 Down 39-27 but some things I liked but Defensively just can't stop them from scoring in the last 10 mins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDerekRx Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 Late 3 makes the score at least look a bit better at 41-30. If they could get just an average amount of stops defensively in the 2nd half this could be close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuchMany Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 Offense the way bigger issue for me. Turnovers and stale sets stuck on the perimeter. Only thing defensively I'm seeing is some slow rotations and closeouts. Kuluel looks very solid. He's going to get more and more minutes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 Foster has played hard too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDerekRx Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 11-0 run. Great start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee4three Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 21 minutes ago, MuchMany said: Offense the way bigger issue for me. Turnovers and stale sets stuck on the perimeter. Only thing defensively I'm seeing is some slow rotations and closeouts. Kuluel looks very solid. He's going to get more and more minutes. When they run sets the offense is very good Issue is they go into this one on one mode for stretches, don't know if it's the players or maybe they are tired and stop moving but there is a drastic difference The defense against a team like mich st isn't as concerning but they are getting worked tonight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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