Chet Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 5 hours ago, trueblue32 said: Honestly don't think Boldin deserved it either. Ranks among the top 10 MAC freshmen in mins: PRPG! (usage adjusted ORtg): Sabol - 7th Boldin - 9th PER: Boldin - 6th Sabol - 8th Box Plus/Minus: Boldin - 6th Sabol - 9th Win Shares: Boldin - 8th Sabol - 9th EvanMiya's BPR: Sabol - 8th Boldin - 10th In a "rebuilding year" in the worst MAC in 20+ years, Halcovage brought in 5 freshmen and went 0 for 5 on all-freshmen players. Nice players that I hope stick around, but some have over hyped them on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocCas86 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) I looked back at my comments to see if I overhyped any of the FR. I will admit that I was guilty of focusing more on the positive, but I did mention defensive shortcomings. I was being a little defensive in response to 'borderline D2' characterization. That said I decided to compare Sabol to Osojnik who was on all freshman team. First I want to acknowledge that any of the statistical comparisons are based on a limited number of observations. I still feel that it is appropriate in this comparison to compare MAC stats - despite it being a smaller sample - as I feel that it is a more apples to apples comparison. The first reason it is a better comparison, is Strength of Schedule - UB had a tougher schedule than EMU. The majority of the stats are pulled from Sports Reference and include non-D1 opponents. Second - Sabol played more in OOC than Osojnik. So Sabol's overall stats get skewed downward by including more stats when he was still adjusting to the D1 level. Without further delay, here are the comparisons. So my overall assessment would be Sabol was a slightly better offensive player, but Osojnik was better defensively based on RBG, STLG and BLKG. I have no qualms with MAC picking Osojnik over Sabol - but would say that Sabol is much closer to the top of MAC FR than he is the bottom. Hopefully this presents a balanced enough view. Edited March 14 by DocCas86 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, DocCas86 said: I looked back at my comments to see if I overhyped any of the FR. I will admit that I was guilty of focusing more on the positive, but I did mention defensive shortcomings. I was being a little defensive in response to 'borderline D2' characterization. That said I decided to compare Sabol to Osojnik who was on all freshman team. First I want to acknowledge that any of the statistical comparisons are based on a limited number of observations. I still feel that it is appropriate in this comparison to compare MAC stats - despite it being a smaller sample - as I feel that it is a more apples to apples comparison. The first reason it is a better comparison, is Strength of Schedule - UB had a tougher schedule than EMU. The majority of the stats are pulled from Sports Reference and include non-D1 opponents. Second - Sabol played more in OOC than Osojnik. So Sabol's overall stats get skewed downward by including more stats when he was still adjusting to the D1 level. Without further delay, hear are the comparisons. So my overall assessment would be Sabol was a slightly better offensive player, but Osojnik was better defensively based on RBG, STLG and BLKG. I have no qualms with MAC picking Osojnik over Sabol - but would say that Sabol is much closer to the top of MAC FR than he is the bottom. Hopefully this presents a balanced enough view. I think this is a fair assessment and provides some hope. Hopefully defense, handles and continued shooting will be the summer focus for Sabol and come back stronger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 9 hours ago, UBinMD said: I think this is a fair assessment and provides some hope. Hopefully defense, handles and continued shooting will be the summer focus for Sabol and come back stronger. Sabol is a nice three point shooter, albeit streaky. Lacks athleticism. He reminds of Zach Filzen. I liked Filzen too, but always thought be would have been a better role player of the bench in favor of a multi level scorer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB92 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 On 3/13/2024 at 10:52 AM, UBinMD said: So rock bottom is official. Buffalo got no post season accolades, not even MAC Honorable Mention for Sy. Not that I disagree, but there are basically 20 spots( 1st, 2nd, 3rd, Honorable) and we have none of them, truly embarrassing. Certainly All-Defense was out the window. Definitely not 6th man. Hopefully better things to come! There were 36 names here: https://getsomemaction.com/news/2024/3/12/mac-announces-2023-24-mac-mens-basketball-all-mac-teams-specialty-award-winners.aspx None were from UB. I don't have the time or heart to check back in the history books to see when this happened the last time for UB (though who knows if there were 36 slots back then). I understand the various tables and figures (and analysis therein) allows one to go deeper into the numbers (which is fine), but the "eye test" tells me that this is reasonable. There was a poster recently that looked at the (recent) history of Freshman and their impact -- it was a good look into that. I remember about 15 years or so ago people on this board would project the hell out of some of our players who were underclassman and coming off questionable seasons. Things like "so and so will be a junior next year" and that fact alone was supposed to account for improvement. It was silly then and its silly now. -- I think 0 - 36 and 3 D1 wins tells you all you need to know about the year. On the plus side...I bleed blue...so...Tim Oboh! I hope GH3 and his staff have a phenomenal offseason in filling out the roster. Go Bulls. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Is this where we stand at the moment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuchMany Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 41 minutes ago, UBinMD said: Is this where we stand at the moment? Yep. And Famakinde is a question mark, either a rising sophomore or a departure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 7 minutes ago, MuchMany said: Yep. And Famakinde is a question mark, either a rising sophomore or a departure. He disappeared off the roster months ago, so I assumed he was gone. He posts cryptic messages on X from time to time, which seem to indicate he is looking for something new. I am personally shocked with the lack of portal movement from UB at this point. Is it possible this group wants to run it back and figure it out together? Are they willing to take a hard look at themselves and work on actual improvement? If this is the case, we should have 2 scholarships for presumably a JUCO or Transfer scorer and a JUCO or Transfer PG (one would hope). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuchMany Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 7 minutes ago, UBinMD said: He disappeared off the roster months ago, so I assumed he was gone. He posts cryptic messages on X from time to time, which seem to indicate he is looking for something new. I am personally shocked with the lack of portal movement from UB at this point. Is it possible this group wants to run it back and figure it out together? Are they willing to take a hard look at themselves and work on actual improvement? If this is the case, we should have 2 scholarships for presumably a JUCO or Transfer scorer and a JUCO or Transfer PG (one would hope). Only one scholarship available currently, call it the unused one from this year (along with the 3 in/3 out balancing each other). I feel like we need size just as much as a PG. Jo, Zaakir, and an unknown freshman from England is a precarious frontcourt after losing Sy. In an ideal world for me, Graham would leave (he looked utterly broken this year) as well as McVeigh. Then bring in a vet PG, vet big, and a HS/JUCO shooter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocCas86 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) 2 hours ago, MuchMany said: Only one scholarship available currently, call it the unused one from this year (along with the 3 in/3 out balancing each other). I feel like we need size just as much as a PG. Jo, Zaakir, and an unknown freshman from England is a precarious frontcourt after losing Sy. In an ideal world for me, Graham would leave (he looked utterly broken this year) as well as McVeigh. Then bring in a vet PG, vet big, and a HS/JUCO shooter. This may be a stupid question and may end up being moot (if Adams / Smith transfer). However, at one point, players were getting additional year of eligibility and it was not counting against the 13 available scholarships if they stayed with the same school. Here is an excerpt from a story I found from 2021 In other words, if you have 13 basketball players on scholarship and three seniors stay for their extra year, you still get three additional scholarships for 2021-22. If a senior transfers to another school for that extra season, he or she counts against the allotted scholarship limit (which is 13 for men’s basketball). Another excerpt: COVID Blanket Waiver When COVID-19 hit, the NCAA had to think fast. They came up with something called the COVID blanket waiver. In simple terms, this gave many student-athletes an extra year to play. That's why you see so many athletes taking an 'extra' 5th year to transfer schools and go for their master's degree while still playing in the NCAA. Remember that this waiver was only for active athletes during the 2020-2021 academic year, and soon this waiver will become obsolete. Does this rule still apply or did it expire? Based on what I highlighted in prior sentence, it seems like it may apply to both Adams and Smith since they were active during the 2020-21 academic year. If so, any chance we keep Adams and/or Smith and have three scholarships still available? Edited March 19 by DocCas86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 3 hours ago, UBinMD said: Is this where we stand at the moment? Desperately need a true PG. and for Fulcher to harness his abilities and play with his speed but under control. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuchMany Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 1 minute ago, DocCas86 said: This may be a stupid question and may end up being moot (if Adams / Smith transfer). However, at one point, players were getting additional year of eligibility and it was not counting against the 13 available scholarships. Here is an excerpt from a story I found from 2021 In other words, if you have 13 basketball players on scholarship and three seniors stay for their extra year, you still get three additional scholarships for 2021-22. If a senior transfers to another school for that extra season, he or she counts against the allotted scholarship limit (which is 13 for men’s basketball). Another excerpt: COVID Blanket Waiver When COVID-19 hit, the NCAA had to think fast. They came up with something called the COVID blanket waiver. In simple terms, this gave many student-athletes an extra year to play. That's why you see so many athletes taking an 'extra' 5th year to transfer schools and go for their master's degree while still playing in the NCAA. Remember that this waiver was only for active athletes during the 2020-2021 academic year, and soon this waiver will become obsolete. Does this rule still apply or did it expire? Based on what I highlighted in prior sentence, it seems like it may apply to both Adams and Smith since they were active during the 2020-21 academic year. If so, any chance we keep Adams and/or Smith and have three scholarships still available? I have no idea tbh. But based on the bolded, wouldn't Adams and Smith be regarded as having transferred elsewhere (here) for their fifth year since they aren't at the same school they were at for the covid season? I'm a lifer Duke fan and they have a scholarship crunch coming with an insane six-man class incoming. Jeremy Roach may return for his fifth (covid) year, but I haven't seen any discussion of him being exempted from the 13 count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocCas86 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 4 minutes ago, MuchMany said: I have no idea tbh. But based on the bolded, wouldn't Adams and Smith be regarded as having transferred elsewhere (here) for their fifth year since they aren't at the same school they were at for the covid season? I'm a lifer Duke fan and they have a scholarship crunch coming with an insane six-man class incoming. Jeremy Roach may return for his fifth (covid) year, but I haven't seen any discussion of him being exempted from the 13 count. I certainly don't know either. I understood whether they stay at the same school they attended their senior year vs any transfer during their career, but that is an interesting wrinkle you raise. If either stay, hoping the rule applies, and we have three scholarships available regardless of what they choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuchMany Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 7 minutes ago, DocCas86 said: I certainly don't know either. I understood whether they stay at the same school they attended their senior year vs any transfer during their career, but that is an interesting wrinkle you raise. If either stay, hoping the rule applies, and we have three scholarships available regardless of what they choose. So another Duke example that I think shows Adams and Smith are going to count against the 13. Ryan Young played three years at Northwestern, including the Covid waiver year as a Soph. He transferred to Duke for his fourth year and is now in his fifth and final year. He is counting against the 13 scholarships this year. So he technically didn't transfer for his extra year, but he counts still. I'm going with we're at one open scholarship unless I hear otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocCas86 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 8 minutes ago, MuchMany said: So another Duke example that I think shows Adams and Smith are going to count against the 13. Ryan Young played three years at Northwestern, including the Covid waiver year as a Soph. He transferred to Duke for his fourth year and is now in his fifth and final year. He is counting against the 13 scholarships this year. So he technically didn't transfer for his extra year, but he counts still. I'm going with we're at one open scholarship unless I hear otherwise. Thank you for the extra information. Both Adams and Smith may end up transferring any way, but was trying to determine if the were eligible for exemption. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 57 minutes ago, MuchMany said: So another Duke example that I think shows Adams and Smith are going to count against the 13. Ryan Young played three years at Northwestern, including the Covid waiver year as a Soph. He transferred to Duke for his fourth year and is now in his fifth and final year. He is counting against the 13 scholarships this year. So he technically didn't transfer for his extra year, but he counts still. I'm going with we're at one open scholarship unless I hear otherwise. Usually Duke had plenty of turnover to the NBA, so it's interesting they are having to play the scholarship roulette with the rest of us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuchMany Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Just now, UBinMD said: Usually Duke had plenty of turnover to the NBA, so it's interesting they are having to play the scholarship roulette with the rest of us! Even the best NBA factory in the world gets a little clogged up when there are five 5-stars and one 4-star incoming. Maybe the most historic class ever. I'd do backflips if UB ever sniffs a 4-star like Jeenathan again. Sigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 3 minutes ago, MuchMany said: Even the best NBA factory in the world gets a little clogged up when there are five 5-stars and one 4-star incoming. Maybe the most historic class ever. I'd do backflips if UB ever sniffs a 4-star like Jeenathan again. Sigh. We need about $500k and a free Metro pass to make that happen again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue32 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, DocCas86 said: Thank you for the extra information. Both Adams and Smith may end up transferring any way, but was trying to determine if the were eligible for exemption. They are not. That was a one year deal because the extra year was announced after incoming recruits were already committing and signing NLIs so that no one was left out in the cold. It's been back to the normal 13 scholarships again for a couple years Edited March 19 by trueblue32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Jonnivius Smith is officially in the Portal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 2 hours ago, UBinMD said: Jonnivius Smith is officially in the Portal. Like many players on this roster, he’s a great depth piece on a good team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 On 3/19/2024 at 1:32 PM, MuchMany said: Even the best NBA factory in the world gets a little clogged up when there are five 5-stars and one 4-star incoming. Maybe the most historic class ever. I'd do backflips if UB ever sniffs a 4-star like Jeenathan again. Sigh. The number of recruits brought in by this staff that are not rated by the recruiting services is shocking. I was at a game about a month ago when I told the person next to me that I could beat McVeigh one on one. Truth is he’d beat me 9 out of 10, but I could get him once. The difference between the types of athletes and players today compared to the golden era is stark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee4three Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 24 minutes ago, Chet said: The number of recruits brought in by this staff that are not rated by the recruiting services is shocking. I was at a game about a month ago when I told the person next to me that I could beat McVeigh one on one. Truth is he’d beat me 9 out of 10, but I could get him once. The difference between the types of athletes and players today compared to the golden era is stark. UB commit Brayden Jackson is playing/announced to the all Canadian team. I'm not familiar with it or it's history but it's something If you're bored check out the names also announced to this team while Jackson doesn't have any stars where I find him listed on recruiting sites the guys on this all Canadian team are all power conference recruits with 3/4/5 stars Gotta mean something good 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Just now, Tee4three said: UB commit Brayden Jackson is playing/announced to the all Canadian team. I'm not familiar with it or it's history but it's something If you're bored check out the names also announced to this team while Jackson doesn't have any stars where I find him listed on recruiting sites the guys on this all Canadian team are all power conference recruits with 3/4/5 stars Gotta mean something good Let's hope so! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullsbball Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 4 hours ago, UBinMD said: Jonnivius Smith is officially in the Portal. Kanye Jones is also listed. No surprise there. Edited March 20 by bullsbball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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