SGBull Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 That sucked. The good news is that if no one transfers we are only losing 1 player of great value in Jordan. If we don’t improve next year then Whitesell might be gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivantheturrible Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, DooleyBull06 said: I agree. I don’t see many guys transferring. Think to yourself if you transfer you usually want to move up in competition. None of our players are anything more than MAC caliber players at this point in their careers. They’re great mid major players but I agree, I don’t think any would be able to transfer to a higher program unless it is just a better mid major. My biggest concern though is even with all the players, is coaching. I gave Whitesell the benefit of the doubt all year, but tonight makes me worried he can’t coach. Even with good players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDerekRx Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 I like us next year on paper as well. Been excited about skogman and still am. Just not sure about the other stuff such as what they will look like in game. One of the problems is we didn't have the gamebreaking juco impact like we'd seem in past years. That's always a wild card going into a new season. This year was just so weird. It's really hard to explain how they could beat so many top teams yet lose to the likes of eastern and Miami. How do you fix that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Just now, Ivantheturrible said: They’re great mid major players but I agree, I don’t think any would be able to transfer to a higher program unless it is just a better mid major. My biggest concern though is even with all the players, is coaching. I gave Whitesell the benefit of the doubt all year, but tonight makes me worried he can’t coach. Even with good players. Agree. I don’t see Whitesell as the long term solution. I see him laying a full term contract. Nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RecoveringHillbilly Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Oh don't forget the excuse they were short a coach all season. With so many 'leaders' on the floor who needed 3 assistant I didn't post often this season but I'll just say, thanks for the memories to Jordan and the Sr walk-on's. That is all.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKBullsfan Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 I say they have to play in the Cbi or whatever trash post season tourney IF they get invited. They need the practice and should play as much as they can. Also, need to find a top notch recruiter in the offseason. Maybe someone from the AAU ranks. We need better players bottom line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee4three Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 The continuation of this program will ne dependant on not losing anyone for a second straight season and just how good are skogman, gallion and the 2 incoming freshman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubbulls84 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, xDerekRx said: I like us next year on paper as well. Been excited about skogman and still am. Just not sure about the other stuff such as what they will look like in game. One of the problems is we didn't have the gamebreaking juco impact like we'd seem in past years. That's always a wild card going into a new season. This year was just so weird. It's really hard to explain how they could beat so many top teams yet lose to the likes of eastern and Miami. How do you fix that You need to bring in a star caliber player that can finish games. That’s how you win these close games. We had none on this team offensively. You saw Graves try to take that role in numerous games this year and failed just too many times. He’s ideally best as a second or 3rd option. Hopefully we have that in one of the recruits, because as the team is constructed now, I see us as a middle of the pack Mac team without Jordan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportscliche Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Sure do appreciate how magical the 2017-2019 teams were. Not sure we'll ever get back there again, but it was great to experience it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 minute ago, sportscliche said: Sure do appreciate how magical the 2017-2019 teams were. Not sure we'll ever get back there again, but it was great to experience it. We could have. But the department cheapened out, pocked the 1M and didn't take the advice of the search firm that they hired 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lederh94 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Just now, Kevin said: We could have. But the department cheapened out, pocked the 1M and didn't take the advice of the search firm that they hired Who did they actually advise they hire? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDerekRx Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 16 minutes ago, MKBullsfan said: I say they have to play in the Cbi or whatever trash post season tourney IF they get invited. They need the practice and should play as much as they can. Also, need to find a top notch recruiter in the offseason. Maybe someone from the AAU ranks. We need better players bottom line. Usually they pass on those tournaments but I'd like them to accept just to possibly finish on a higher note/get some experience 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire17 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Buffalo does have a good young nucleus. The Bulls are sorely going to miss Jordan, however. Buffalo definitely needs shooters. They need to shore up the defense too. Major disappointment this year in the contributions from Johnson and Grant. I don’t expect an improvement next year. That said, Whitesell will probably be gone after next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB85 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 28 minutes ago, Ivantheturrible said: I disagree, if we keep all our recruits and no one transfers out, I’d say on paper it’s the best team we’ve had. I like Williams development along with Segus and I’m high on the two freshman we have coming in. Plus Skogman. I’m excited about next years team, if everyone stays of course. So we‘ll be better than top 15 in the country next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire17 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 21 minutes ago, xDerekRx said: I like us next year on paper as well. Been excited about skogman and still am. Just not sure about the other stuff such as what they will look like in game. One of the problems is we didn't have the gamebreaking juco impact like we'd seem in past years. That's always a wild card going into a new season. This year was just so weird. It's really hard to explain how they could beat so many top teams yet lose to the likes of eastern and Miami. How do you fix that The top teams? Harvard? St Bonaventure? DePaul? Akron...perhaps - a projected 13 seed, if they can hold serve. No...the Bulls beat some teams ranked higher than them, but they beat no top teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB85 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 28 minutes ago, Ubbulls84 said: He is trash I’m glad only 1 year of him. All this talk about how good he was in my mind a huge disappointment. He might have had like 3 good games all year. He isn’t trash. But he certainly proved to be overhyped from the pre season prognostication. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, squire17 said: Buffalo does have a good young nucleus. The Bulls are sorely going to miss Jordan, however. Buffalo definitely needs shooters. They need to shore up the defense too. Major disappointment this year in the contributions from Johnson and Grant. I don’t expect an improvement next year. That said, Whitesell will probably be gone after next year. I will say this. I’m not calling for Whitesell to be fired. I feel he will be given time to get us back to a tournament. However if he doesn’t improve as a coach I don’t see him lasting past a contract. If we regress to .500 and under then all is fair to terminate. But my fear is we will become a team that is always around a 4-6 range and can make a semis run and nothing more. I want to be a team that can consistently be top 4 and threaten ever year to win the MAC. Can Whitesell be that coach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB85 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 I think the best way to describe tonight’s performance was the return of Reggie ball. The great thing about the Oats’ years is that we beat the teams we should. We sustained some real head scratching losses including tonight. After having been the team defeating higher ranked teams the last several years tonight was a bitter loss. The pressure is really on for next year if we hope to reclaim a top spot in the MAC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivantheturrible Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 40 minutes ago, UB85 said: So we‘ll be better than top 15 in the country next year? Think you missed the on paper part. Player ranking wise, yes it will be the best team we’ve had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee4three Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 I will be interested in to see who they hire to replace jenkins. Think it will be telling of where this program is headed. With how cheap whitesell is signed on for, how shocking would it be to see him out? By all means it seemed like he was the back up option. (Not advocating for it; just discussion wise) Alnutt seemed much more distant this year but that could be ub wasn't ranked all year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 Game on the line and Williams has zero defensive intensity: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire17 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Kevin said: Game on the line and Williams has zero defensive intensity: Is it intensity? Or is it awareness? And whatever it is, he wasn’t the only one...85 points against the 12th seed at home. Edited March 10, 2020 by squire17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubbulls84 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 hour ago, UB85 said: He isn’t trash. But he certainly proved to be overhyped from the pre season prognostication. Agreed not fair to call him trash that’s just me frustrated after he had another horrible game when we needed him to show up. But a big disappointment I think is fair. The numbers back me on this just look at his game to game stats throughout the year, he just didn’t have the impact we all expected coming into the year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire17 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Agreed. He’s a kid who just never got untracked offensively. Same could be said of Grant. Both had their moments, but at the end of the day they just didn’t get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ubbulls84 said: Agreed not fair to call him trash that’s just me frustrated after he had another horrible game when we needed him to show up. But a big disappointment I think is fair. The numbers back me on this just look at his game to game stats throughout the year, he just didn’t have the impact we all expected coming into the year. We got caught up with specific descriptions on this board. I was told how good of a shooter he was going to be by an assistant coach. he wasn’t this. They needed way more from him than they got and was one of a few main reasons they couldn’t even reach the top 8. Edited March 10, 2020 by Kevin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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