dutchcountry7 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 This is concerning. Can’t help but think of St Mary’s being ranked and then getting snubbed. West Virginia just lost to Rhode Island a team currently 5th in the A10 according to Kenpom. West Virginia has not beat a single top-100 team this year. Their best win is against St Joes. I have a feeling no credit will be given for the WVU win by the end of the year. We really need San Francisco to Beat Stanford. Without is our wins don’t look to good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBoy Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I get WVU is struggling but they still don’t lose at home. Any win in Morgantown is a good win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rma Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 hour ago, dutchcountry7 said: This is concerning. Can’t help but think of St Mary’s being ranked and then getting snubbed. West Virginia just lost to Rhode Island a team currently 5th in the A10 according to Kenpom. West Virginia has not beat a single top-100 team this year. Their best win is against St Joes. I have a feeling no credit will be given for the WVU win by the end of the year. We really need San Francisco to Beat Stanford. Without is our wins don’t look to good. Well a win vs Marquette could help us a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchcountry7 Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, rma said: Well a win vs Marquette could help us a lot Yeah, that is needed now that WVU is awful and Syracuse is losing and probably a bubble team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB92 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just win...forget the rest about who beats who and where. Control what you can control -- the rest is wasteful. Go Bulls! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikescherrer8 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 The win is more or less impressive because WVU was ranked highly and expected to do well this season. Bulls went into their place, a tough place to play against a legendary coach and outplayed them. Does the committee feel the same way? Who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 10 hours ago, UB92 said: Just win...forget the rest about who beats who and where. Control what you can control -- the rest is wasteful. Go Bulls! This. I'm not big on at-large scenarios. IF we get upset in Cleveland I'll care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchcountry7 Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Jeseph said: This. I'm not big on at-large scenarios. IF we get upset in Cleveland I'll care. At large is the mark of a real program and is a real accomplishment. The Bulls need to be in the at-large field. It means they get a high enough seed to not have to have an upset. We are playing for at-large bids. Recruiting and scheduling turns a corner when you are an at-large program. Teams don't want to play someone who is good but not good enough to get at-large bids. If you get at-large bids they know that you're actually a good program that is respected by the committee. Then we can actually get some good games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, dutchcountry7 said: At large is the mark of a real program and is a real accomplishment. The Bulls need to be in the at-large field. It means they get a high enough seed to not have to have an upset. We are playing for at-large bids. Recruiting and scheduling turns a corner when you are an at-large program. Teams don't want to play someone who is good but not good enough to get at-large bids. If you get at-large bids they know that you're actually a good program that is respected by the committee. Then we can actually get some good games. So in this example it's better to lose in Cleveland and get an at-large bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue32 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 It's best to win in Cleveland and get an at-large level seed, if there are at-large teams seeded below us then we would have been an at-large. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Hopefully WVU steps up during conference play and beats Kansas in Morgantown. They just need to jell. Huggins is still breaking that team in and they will be better come March than they are now. Its still a quality win (Quad 1I believe) and right now it doesn't look that way but by March hopefully it stands true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, DooleyBull06 said: Hopefully WVU steps up during conference play and beats Kansas in Morgantown. They just need to jell. Huggins is still breaking that team in and they will be better come March than they are now. Its still a quality win (Quad 1I believe) and right now it doesn't look that way but by March hopefully it stands true. Agree, Any win is a good win and can only enhance our rankings. The main thing is just continue to win and gain more confidence with each win. It is still a long season and anything can happen to teams from one week to the next. Go Bulls!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchcountry7 Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Jeseph said: So in this example it's better to lose in Cleveland and get an at-large bid? No, we know who are at-large teams even if they get an auto-bid. If you are seeded higher than the first-four at-large teams, then you were an at-large team. The committee seeds the at-large teams first, then they fill in the auto-bids at the low seeds. The committee releases the complete seeds rank (as well as those that just miss the cut. The top-four to miss the cut get NIT #1 seeds. This was the field last year: 1 Virginia ACC 31–2 Auto 2 Villanova Big East 30–4 Auto 3 Kansas Big 12 27–7 Auto 4 Xavier Big East 28–5 At-large 5 North Carolina ACC 25–10 At-large 6 Duke ACC 26–7 At-large 7 Purdue Big Ten 28–6 At-large 8 Cincinnati American 30–4 Auto 9 Michigan State Big Ten 29–4 At-large 10 Tennessee SEC 25–8 At-large 11 Michigan Big Ten 28–7 Auto 12 Texas Tech Big 12 24–9 At-large 13 Auburn SEC 25–7 At-large 14 Wichita State American 25–7 At-large 15 Gonzaga WCC 30–4 Auto 16 Arizona Pac-12 27–7 Auto 17 Kentucky SEC 24–10 Auto 18 West Virginia Big 12 24–10 At-large 19 Clemson ACC 23–9 At-large 20 Ohio State Big Ten 24–8 At-large 21 Florida SEC 20–12 At-large 22 Miami (FL) ACC 22–9 At-large 23 Houston American 26–7 At-large 24 TCU Big 12 21–11 At-large 25 Texas A&M SEC 20–12 At-large 26 Arkansas SEC 23–11 At-large 27 Nevada Mountain West 27–7 At-large 28 Rhode Island Atlantic 10 25–7 At-large 29 Seton Hall Big East 21–11 At-large 30 Creighton Big East 21–11 At-large 31 Virginia Tech ACC 21–11 At-large 32 Missouri SEC 20–12 At-large 33 Butler Big East 20–13 At-large 34 Kansas State Big 12 22–11 At-large 35 Providence Big East 21–13 At-large 36 Alabama SEC 19–15 At-large 37 NC State ACC 21–11 At-large 38 Florida State ACC 20–11 At-large 39 Texas Big 12 19–14 At-large 40 Oklahoma Big 12 18–13 At-large 41 UCLA Pac-12 21–11 At-large 42 St. Bonaventure Atlantic 10 25–7 At-large 43 Arizona State Pac-12 20–11 At-large 44 Syracuse ACC 20–13 At-large Then these were the teams that only got in because they won their conference: 45 San Diego State Mountain West 22–10 Auto 46 Loyola–Chicago Missouri Valley 28–5 Auto 47 New Mexico State WAC 28–5 Auto 48 Davidson Atlantic 10 21–11 Auto 49 South Dakota State Summit League 28–6 Auto 50 Murray State Ohio Valley 26–5 Auto 51 Buffalo MAC 26–8 Auto 52 UNC Greensboro Southern 27–7 Auto 53 College of Charleston CAA 26–7 Auto 54 Marshall Conference USA 24–10 Auto 55 Bucknell Patriot 25–9 Auto 56 Montana Big Sky 26–7 Auto 57 Wright State Horizon 25–9 Auto 58 Stephen F. Austin Southland 28–6 Auto 59 Lipscomb Atlantic Sun 23–9 Auto 60 Georgia State Sun Belt 24–10 Auto 61 Cal State Fullerton Big West 20–11 Auto 62 Iona MAAC 20–13 Auto 63 UMBC America East 24–10 Auto 64 Penn Ivy League 24–8 Auto 65 Radford Big South 22–12 Auto 66 LIU Brooklyn NEC 18–16 Auto 67 North Carolina Central MEAC 19–15 Auto 68 Texas Southern SWAC 15–19 Auto Teams that just missed the cut for an at-large and got #1 seeds in the NIT: St. Mary's, USC, Baylor, and Notre Dame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchcountry7 Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 If you look at the field you will see that Purdue and Michigan State are in and seeded higher than Michigan even though Michigan won the auto-bid. That's because the at-large teams are determined before the conference tournaments are finished. The committee gives out the at-large bids first. The best teams get in without looking at the conference results. The conference results determine the bottom slots and the bubble teams. Those are all determined last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchcountry7 Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 hour ago, trueblue32 said: It's best to win in Cleveland and get an at-large level seed, if there are at-large teams seeded below us then we would have been an at-large. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDerekRx Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 WVU on road is still a great win. Its not as powerful as it would be if WVU wasn't middling right now. However collectively beating SIU twice is nothing to scoff at. Beating San Fran still looks very good regardless if they beat Stanford. If you're solely focused on at large odds, then yes, you need to be SYR and possibly even Marquette. If UB looses 3 games this year. 1 to Marquette and 2 in the MAC (1 in the final), will they get an at large? Incredibly tough to say. I would say 50-50. But I also don't really care. Even with all this ranked excitement, Im still focused on winning the MAC again. When you're a fan of a MAC team for as long as most of us have been, you know thats the only real way to get in the NCAA. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big 4 Hoops Blogger Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 On 12/16/2018 at 11:51 PM, UB92 said: Just win...forget the rest about who beats who and where. Control what you can control -- the rest is wasteful. Go Bulls! That's my thought process as well. We won't know the quality of the WVU win until the end of the season around tournament time. Regardless of how it turns out, it was a tremendous comeback that kick started the Bulls current run. Without it, UB wouldn't be ranked and definitely wouldn't be receiving all of the hype they're currently getting. In the end, I think it'll turn out to be a very good win, but not the Top 25 quality road win we all originally thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB92 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 On 12/17/2018 at 11:50 AM, dutchcountry7 said: No, we know who are at-large teams even if they get an auto-bid. If you are seeded higher than the first-four at-large teams, then you were an at-large team. The committee seeds the at-large teams first, then they fill in the auto-bids at the low seeds. The committee releases the complete seeds rank (as well as those that just miss the cut. The top-four to miss the cut get NIT #1 seeds. This was the field last year: 1 Virginia ACC 31–2 Auto 2 Villanova Big East 30–4 Auto 3 Kansas Big 12 27–7 Auto 4 Xavier Big East 28–5 At-large 5 North Carolina ACC 25–10 At-large 6 Duke ACC 26–7 At-large 7 Purdue Big Ten 28–6 At-large 8 Cincinnati American 30–4 Auto 9 Michigan State Big Ten 29–4 At-large 10 Tennessee SEC 25–8 At-large 11 Michigan Big Ten 28–7 Auto 12 Texas Tech Big 12 24–9 At-large 13 Auburn SEC 25–7 At-large 14 Wichita State American 25–7 At-large 15 Gonzaga WCC 30–4 Auto 16 Arizona Pac-12 27–7 Auto 17 Kentucky SEC 24–10 Auto 18 West Virginia Big 12 24–10 At-large 19 Clemson ACC 23–9 At-large 20 Ohio State Big Ten 24–8 At-large 21 Florida SEC 20–12 At-large 22 Miami (FL) ACC 22–9 At-large 23 Houston American 26–7 At-large 24 TCU Big 12 21–11 At-large 25 Texas A&M SEC 20–12 At-large 26 Arkansas SEC 23–11 At-large 27 Nevada Mountain West 27–7 At-large 28 Rhode Island Atlantic 10 25–7 At-large 29 Seton Hall Big East 21–11 At-large 30 Creighton Big East 21–11 At-large 31 Virginia Tech ACC 21–11 At-large 32 Missouri SEC 20–12 At-large 33 Butler Big East 20–13 At-large 34 Kansas State Big 12 22–11 At-large 35 Providence Big East 21–13 At-large 36 Alabama SEC 19–15 At-large 37 NC State ACC 21–11 At-large 38 Florida State ACC 20–11 At-large 39 Texas Big 12 19–14 At-large 40 Oklahoma Big 12 18–13 At-large 41 UCLA Pac-12 21–11 At-large 42 St. Bonaventure Atlantic 10 25–7 At-large 43 Arizona State Pac-12 20–11 At-large 44 Syracuse ACC 20–13 At-large Then these were the teams that only got in because they won their conference: 45 San Diego State Mountain West 22–10 Auto 46 Loyola–Chicago Missouri Valley 28–5 Auto 47 New Mexico State WAC 28–5 Auto 48 Davidson Atlantic 10 21–11 Auto 49 South Dakota State Summit League 28–6 Auto 50 Murray State Ohio Valley 26–5 Auto 51 Buffalo MAC 26–8 Auto 52 UNC Greensboro Southern 27–7 Auto 53 College of Charleston CAA 26–7 Auto 54 Marshall Conference USA 24–10 Auto 55 Bucknell Patriot 25–9 Auto 56 Montana Big Sky 26–7 Auto 57 Wright State Horizon 25–9 Auto 58 Stephen F. Austin Southland 28–6 Auto 59 Lipscomb Atlantic Sun 23–9 Auto 60 Georgia State Sun Belt 24–10 Auto 61 Cal State Fullerton Big West 20–11 Auto 62 Iona MAAC 20–13 Auto 63 UMBC America East 24–10 Auto 64 Penn Ivy League 24–8 Auto 65 Radford Big South 22–12 Auto 66 LIU Brooklyn NEC 18–16 Auto 67 North Carolina Central MEAC 19–15 Auto 68 Texas Southern SWAC 15–19 Auto Teams that just missed the cut for an at-large and got #1 seeds in the NIT: St. Mary's, USC, Baylor, and Notre Dame. 15 loss Alabama as an at-large. SMH. Zero true road wins OOC and an 8 - 10 conference record. The system is set up for the P5. That's why we gotta get into one of those leagues...eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchcountry7 Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 3 hours ago, UB92 said: 15 loss Alabama as an at-large. SMH. Zero true road wins OOC and an 8 - 10 conference record. The system is set up for the P5. That's why we gotta get into one of those leagues...eventually. Theu had many wins over ncaa Tournament teams.,, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017–18_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_men's_basketball_team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB92 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 hour ago, dutchcountry7 said: Theu had many wins over ncaa Tournament teams.,, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017–18_Alabama_Crimson_Tide_men's_basketball_team Obviously. Still...they lost 15 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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