MuchMany Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, DooleyBull06 said: They should hire that guy named Whitesell. Oh wait. Jesus what a mess this has become. The site crashes and then I come back and read all this! WTF. How far the lure of UB has fallen. Just when you thought we would make a recommitment to basketball we are cheaping out? Pathetic. I thought we’d have some good news today but now I’m depressed. Rinky dink AD. Rinky dink department. Rinky dink website. Rinky dink reporting. And people wonder why the casuals in Buffalo stick to Bills and Sabres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue32 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 While Calhoun does not get me super excited winning at YSU as hard. From Jeff Goodman's poll a couple years ago on the best jobs in each league YSU was last in the Horizon League: https://watchstadium.com/horizon-league-coaches-rank-the-best-jobs-in-the-conference-12-28-2018/ Where they win: “Honestly, I can’t really think of anything. The job is brutal.” – Horizon head coach The knock: “Where do you start? It’s by far the toughest job in the league, and it’s not even close. They don’t have support, tradition or really much to sell, to be honest.” – Horizon assistant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, MuchMany said: Rinky dink AD. Rinky dink department. Rinky dink website. Rinky dink reporting. And people wonder why the casuals in Buffalo stick to Bills and Sabres. Two more franchises that don’t win. Sorry I’m frustrated and lashing out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, trueblue32 said: While Calhoun does not get me super excited winning at YSU as hard. From Jeff Goodman's poll a couple years ago on the best jobs in each league YSU was last in the Horizon League: https://watchstadium.com/horizon-league-coaches-rank-the-best-jobs-in-the-conference-12-28-2018/ Where they win: “Honestly, I can’t really think of anything. The job is brutal.” – Horizon head coach The knock: “Where do you start? It’s by far the toughest job in the league, and it’s not even close. They don’t have support, tradition or really much to sell, to be honest.” – Horizon assistant Well he seems to prefer it over a jump to UB so... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue32 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Jeseph said: Well he seems to prefer it over a jump to UB so... LMAO oh wow I didn't catch up on this thread before posting. We are in trouble 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ub2019 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, everlast2504 said: Jesus. Someone call the local chevy or ford dealership. Tell them to give some kids some pickups or something. Another knock on the AD and athletic department as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuchMany Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, everlast2504 said: Jesus. Someone call the local chevy or ford dealership. Tell them to give some kids some pickups or something. I imagine our MAC rivals who loathed our reign and thought we were temporary are just pigs in shit at the moment. Probably lurking here. Sucks. 4 minutes ago, DooleyBull06 said: Two more franchises that don’t win. Sorry I’m frustrated and lashing out No I'm with ya. But UB makes the Pegula operations look like the Yankees or Manchester City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majortomxiii Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Well if the MBB coach’s salary is tied to the WBB coach’s salary then it is official winning games plays no part in the decision making. If it comes out that that is true (and not frustrate fan talk) I am so done with the school and athletic programs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enrique14150 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall hearing a lot recently on here about what a prime job this was. Either people don't want to work for Alnutt (it didn't seem to faze Linguist), or we need to re-think our perspective here. I want someone like Linguist, who wants to be here and doesn't have to be convinced of it. The MAC is the "cradle of coaches" over the years for a reason - a good place to get started at this level and show what you can do. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 This is a full blown wake up call. The AD must bring UB into the modern day world of college athletics. To read that post that said we have no NIL infrastructure and all else it said is pretty damming. Wake up UB! Makes me wonder how the football program is even alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBoy Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 11 minutes ago, everlast2504 said: Jesus. Someone call the local chevy or ford dealership. Tell them to give some kids some pickups or something. Men's basketball was the only team last year that an NIL Collective and that was completely put together by Whitesell and his brother. Going back to Alnutt, it is clear he is a football guy and he has pulled resources from men's basketball to use for Football. Why would someone want to come here and realize they have zero support from administration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Why doesn't Russel Salvatore head up our NIL Collective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everlast2504 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, MuchMany said: I imagine our MAC rivals who loathed our reign and thought we were temporary are just pigs in shit at the moment. Probably lurking here. Sucks. No I'm with ya. But UB makes the Pegula operations look like the Yankees or Manchester City. It seems like such low hanging NIL. Put the kids in some cars. Give them some gas cards. Have them post it to social a few times. Call up the off campus apartments, tell them to give them housing for free. Hell the Jet Blue to JFK to BUF is another easy one. It also opens up NYC recruiting. Sign here you get unlimited flights home... NIL doesn't need to be all cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, enrique14150 said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall hearing a lot recently on here about what a prime job this was. Either people don't want to work for Alnutt (it didn't seem to faze Linguist), or we need to re-think our perspective here. I want someone like Linguist, who wants to be here and doesn't have to be convinced of it. The MAC is the "cradle of coaches" over the years for a reason - a good place to get started at this level and show what you can do. On some level I agree. Give me someone who will see these challenges and take them head on. But at the same time I think it’s become clear that we have fallen way behind in keeping up with how college bball has changed since the pandemic. From failing to be willing to pay money, to having no NIL money or infrastructure. We’ve fallen behind as a program. And these young coaches are like any young person right now, don’t want the challenge. They feel entitled to a level of stability before taking a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue32 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 So Calhoun is making $200k base to build a winner at Youngstown State while Alnutt is making $295k a year here to burn every program to the ground. I have an idea on where Alnutt could find some money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rma Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 20 minutes ago, Jeseph said: lol cool cool So when many of us said Whitesell was draining the program and MA was doing nothing behind these scenes... Infrastructure can mean a lot of things. We were decent in facilities and budget/resources 4 years ago https://watchstadium.com/mac-college-basketball-coaches-rank-the-best-jobs-in-the-conference-01-10-2019/amp/ I don’t care about NIL I want that money going towards ripping up the track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, rma said: I want that money going towards ripping up the track It's not though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuchMany Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, everlast2504 said: It seems like such low hanging NIL. Put the kids in some cars. Give them some gas cards. Have them post it to social a few times. Call up the off campus apartments, tell them to give them housing for free. Hell the Jet Blue to JFK to BUF is another easy one. It also opens up NYC recruiting. Sign here you get unlimited flights home... NIL doesn't need to be all cash. Amen. Maybe the 12 large pizza or weekend rental of a BMW or impossible full court golf putt prizes were canaries in our coal mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, rma said: Infrastructure can mean a lot of things. We were decent in facilities and budget/resources 4 years ago https://watchstadium.com/mac-college-basketball-coaches-rank-the-best-jobs-in-the-conference-01-10-2019/amp/ I don’t care about NIL I want that money going towards ripping up the track Sorry to break it to you though, this thinking is exactly why we are where we are. No NIL investment equals losing. Equals no interest from fans and donors. Equals irrelevance. Equals death. The landscape has rapidly changed over those 4 years. Rapidly. Hate to keep brining up the U, but a final four team all bc of NIL. It matters. Can’t ignore it. To ignore is to become what we have become. Left behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, DooleyBull06 said: Sorry to break it to you though, this thinking is exactly why we are where we are. No NIL investment equals losing. Equals no interest from fans and donors. Equals irrelevance. Equals death. The landscape has rapidly changed over those 4 years. Rapidly. Hate to keep brining up the U, but a final four team all bc of NIL. It matters. Can’t ignore it. To ignore is to become what we have become. Left behind. And this department will just keep saying "but we need donors!" after spending 4 without putting an exciting team on the floor. "Hey, we just got turned down by 3 straight coaches... care to throw us a couple hundred grand?" They do nothing to support the ask. No effort, no accountability, no hope for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everlast2504 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, MuchMany said: Amen. Maybe the 12 large pizza or weekend rental of a BMW or impossible full court golf putt prizes were canaries in our coal mine. Weekend BMW rental is laughable. We should be giving one away. 12 large pizzas is a nice student give away. NIL should be the we need that 4 star can we get the local dealership to lease him a M3 for free? Do you think we can get Segu here to run NIL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee4three Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, everlast2504 said: Weekend BMW rental is laughable. We should be giving one away. 12 large pizzas is a nice student give away. NIL should be the we need that 4 star can we get the local dealership to lease him a M3 for free? Do you think we can get Segu here to run NIL? UB got blasted a few years ago on sports center or college game day for the 12 pizza give away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuchMany Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, everlast2504 said: Weekend BMW rental is laughable. We should be giving one away. 12 large pizzas is a nice student give away. NIL should be the we need that 4 star can we get the local dealership to lease him a M3 for free? Do you think we can get Segu here to run NIL? Not sure we could pull him or his coach away from the Albanian league at this point (he's in Greece I know). 7 minutes ago, Jeseph said: And this department will just keep saying "but we need donors!" after spending 4 without putting an exciting team on the floor. "Hey, we just got turned down by 3 straight coaches... care to throw us a couple hundred grand?" They do nothing to support the ask. No effort, no accountability, no hope for the future. I know this isn't the best time for this, but the last four years the team was actually pretty exciting (featuring three years of Rondo Jeenathan, two of Graves, one of Davonta) and went 70-49. Underachieving, frustrating, unable to live up to the astronomical standards of Oats? For sure. But we're getting a bit revisionist. In that interview I posted recently, even Oats expressed serious doubt that they could maintain the standard. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rma Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 13 minutes ago, DooleyBull06 said: Sorry to break it to you though, this thinking is exactly why we are where we are. No NIL investment equals losing. Equals no interest from fans and donors. Equals irrelevance. Equals death. The landscape has rapidly changed over those 4 years. Rapidly. Hate to keep brining up the U, but a final four team all bc of NIL. It matters. Can’t ignore it. To ignore is to become what we have become. Left behind. Do you think when the football team tries to sell a recruit on UB the recruit is going to be fine with the stadium that is worse than his high school’s in Texas because he’s getting a little extra money to pick UB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enrique14150 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 These guys who are D2 coaches or assistants in D1 would rather sit where they are than step up a level, do the work and make something better of themselves? Fine, pass. This level is a challenge. If they're not up for it, we'll find someone who is. NIL - I'm not disputing what you all have had to say about the changing times in college athletics. What I am curious about is what do the other programs like UB's have in terms of NIL resources going around? Other MAC schools for instance. I would have a problem if UB is falling behind them. But if the rest are all in the same boat, I can understand. I keep reminding myself, there isn't this huge pot of money to throw around here. Especially post-covid, when all athletic departments are probably hurting for cash. They're basically using a lot of the buyout money from Alabama for Oats for buying out Whitesell's remaining years, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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