Chet Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Knee jerk the game? The start to this season has been God-awful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuchMany Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, xDerekRx said: I agree. Easy to knee jerk on this game but there's enough talent to win some in the MAC I honestly have no idea what would make you guys say there's enough talent to win some in the MAC. I'm seeing the exact opposite. I'd put the MAC line at 3.5 and take the under. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee4three Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 minute ago, xDerekRx said: I agree. Easy to knee jerk on this game but there's enough talent to win some in the MAC 5 minutes ago, skrabukes said: There is some talent there. There's no way they get 3 or less wins in the MAC, unless the veteran players completely check out/leave mid-season. If this was one game but the defense has been an issue in every game (including the non d1 games) I'd believe Over the weekend I watched a Cleveland St vs Eastern Michigan who is projected to be the worst of the Mac I believe and they looked like they would beat this team by 20+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee4three Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 I'll generally be surprised if we don't see mid season players leaving the team likely as soon as they return from this tournament and the semester wraps up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee4three Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 Just saw some actual ball movement on offense for the first time all game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Jay Wright talking about culture???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 What did we do to deserve this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee4three Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 Might have something on offense with this 5- only time I've seen the ball move Jay wright referenced the starting line up a few times, sounded like he was hinting that it was disciplinary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Kevin said: What did we do to deserve this? Didn’t write a blank check for Nate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee4three Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Kevin said: What did we do to deserve this? If you figure it out please let me know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Just now, Kevin said: What did we do to deserve this? You know the answer....sever all ties to the Oats train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tee4three said: Might have something on offense with this 5- only time I've seen the ball move Jay wright referenced the starting line up a few times, sounded like he was hinting that it was disciplinary If that’s true or these guys were jacking around on their first road trip instead of being on a business trip, that’s concerning in game 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skrabukes Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, xDerekRx said: I agree. Easy to knee jerk on this game but there's enough talent to win some in the MAC It's not a knee jerk game. Last game was worse than this one, but there still is some talent there. It's still not far from the late 90s/early 00s teams however. Man for man, this team is better than 1999 (Cohane's last full season, 3 MAC wins), 2000 (Reggie's 1st), 2 MAC wins, but not nearly as good as 2001 (the big 4 recruiting class year, 7 MAC wins). That 2001 team versus 2000 versus now: Darcel Williams, Lou Campbell, Rob Brown, Battle, Clem Smith, Bortz, Davis Lawrence, Gilbert, Bird, Cagwin, (Big) Swoffer, Joe Veal 2000: Rob Brown, Lou Campbell, Jason Robinson, Damien Foster, Lawrence, Cagwin, Smith, Swoffer, Libomi, Alston, Rainey, Duane Williams (from the football team), Walcott, Adam Johnson (also from the football team) 2023: Adams, Chatman, Fulcher, Smith, Sabol, Boldin, Jones, Williamson, McVeigh, Wilson At least we haven't raided the football team (yet) for players. The bench is pretty short though. 1 minute ago, Kevin said: What did we do to deserve this? I believe you were one of the loudest yelling for JW's head (along with Erie County who has disappeared now). His teams were respectable, while nowhere near Nate's teams, and never were going to be anywhere near Nate's teams. While far from perfect, it was a solid team every year, pushing for double digit MAC wins each year. This is a far, far cry from that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, skrabukes said: It's not a knee jerk game. Last game was worse than this one, but there still is some talent there. It's still not far from the late 90s/early 00s teams however. Man for man, this team is better than 1999 (Cohane's last full season, 3 MAC wins), 2000 (Reggie's 1st), 2 MAC wins, but not nearly as good as 2001 (the big 4 recruiting class year, 7 MAC wins). That 2001 team versus 2000 versus now: Darcel Williams, Lou Campbell, Rob Brown, Battle, Clem Smith, Bortz, Davis Lawrence, Gilbert, Bird, Cagwin, (Big) Swoffer, Joe Veal 2000: Rob Brown, Lou Campbell, Jason Robinson, Damien Foster, Lawrence, Cagwin, Smith, Swoffer, Libomi, Alston, Rainey, Duane Williams (from the football team), Walcott, Adam Johnson (also from the football team) 2023: Adams, Chatman, Fulcher, Smith, Sabol, Boldin, Jones, Williamson, McVeigh, Wilson At least we haven't raided the football team (yet) for players. The bench is pretty short though. I believe you were one of the loudest yelling for JW's head (along with Erie County who has disappeared now). His teams were respectable, while nowhere near Nate's teams, and never were going to be anywhere near Nate's teams. While far from perfect, it was a solid team every year, pushing for double digit MAC wins each year. This is a far, far cry from that. I'm not the one who hires the coaches. I wanted Whitsell gone because I didn't think he was the best hire. The answer is Alnutt by the way, not me calling for Whitesell to get fired on a message board. See all of his hires. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 All in Grit.... time for a new slogan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB Horns Up Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 This UB Bulls basketball team is scary bad. Like the UB Bulls in the East Coast Conference before the Alumni Arena renovation of the seats reducing the capacity with 500 UB Bulls fans bad. Just cancel the rest of the UB Bulls college basketball season this team has zero chance of competing or winning anything in the MAC it saves the UB Bulls fans a lot of wasted time. George Halcovage roster put together looks like he didn’t even try just called anyone wanting a free ride to college come to Buffalo. Bonnies bench players would start on this present UB Bulls basketball team. Get use to it UB Bulls fans because as bad as Maurice Linquist is in football he looks like Vince Lombardi compared to George Halcovage in basketball. This is what you get when you refuse to raise the coaching salaries to $1 million dollars a year. Get use to it because we (UB Bulls fans) are stuck with George Halcovage now for 4 more years. Unless wait maybe longer does he deserve a contract extension he beat a Division 2 school he might be a hot attractive coaching candidate to leave UB sign him up long term? George Halcovage is a clueless deer in headlights coach who can’t recruit transfer portal and looks like he never been on a basketball bench as a coach before. Go all young was a bad idea in NIL, transfer portal era of college basketball you can’t win that way anymore. The postives after 5 years of crappy basketball with no fans from Buffalo going someone at UB will figure out you need to spend more money on a head coach. Thankfully for this UB Bulls fan the Bonnies and Griffs basketball teams are improved so when I want to watch serious college basketball I can watch them as a Buffalo sports fan until UB athletics is serious about college basketball again whenever UB gets around to it in my opinion. UB Horns Up! Go Bulls! Let’s Go Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB92 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 19 minutes ago, skrabukes said: believe you were one of the loudest yelling for JW's head (along with Erie County who has disappeared now). His teams were respectable, while nowhere near Nate's teams, and never were going to be anywhere near Nate's teams. While far from perfect, it was a solid team every year, pushing for double digit MAC wins each year. This is a far, far cry from that. And so it starts… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skrabukes Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 I love the announcers calling for Louisiana to have the big break out game out of the losers from today's game. Who's their opponent? Seems like a reasonable guess based on the last 2 games I've witnessed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clodney Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 You're asking "Was Whitesell better than Halcovage?" when you should be asking "Were Whitesell and Halcovage both bad choices?". Whitesell teams regressed every year and halted any national recognition that we had built, while Halcovage appears to be driving the nail in the coffin. Either way, these were both Alnutt hires so imo your complaint is misdirected. Overall, I still think it's wayyyyyy too early to go crazy about Halcovage. We don't know what we have yet. You can't be cheerleading to keep Whitesell after his 4th year of failing but jumping down Halcovage's throat after 4 games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skrabukes Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, clodney said: You're asking "Was Whitesell better than Halcovage?" when you should be asking "Were Whitesell and Halcovage both bad choices?". Whitesell teams regressed every year and halted any national recognition that we had built, while Halcovage appears to be driving the nail in the coffin. Either way, these were both Alnutt hires so imo your complaint is misdirected. Overall, I still think it's wayyyyyy too early to go crazy about Halcovage. We don't know what we have yet. You can't be cheerleading to keep Whitesell after his 4th year of failing but jumping down Halcovage's throat after 4 games. Last 4 years: 70-49 - JW 78-47 - Boals One is talked about like a king on here, one was talked about like a chump at every turn. Again, while nowhere near Nate (neither are close), the team was respectable every year. If last year's team played the soft schedule of this year's team, they'd have been close to 20 wins. Instead, they played Colgate, JMU, Uconn, Drake, Tulane, WVU, Michigan State. We can compare things in all sorts of ways, but the days of top 25 are looking to be long gone, never to return. Previously, we were at least able to watch the game without desiring putting on a brown paper bag over our faces. Sadly, football is looking that way too, 14-22 in the last 3 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire17 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, skrabukes said: Last 4 years: 70-49 - JW 78-47 - Boals One is talked about like a king on here, one was talked about like a chump at every turn. Again, while nowhere near Nate (neither are close), the team was respectable every year. If last year's team played the soft schedule of this year's team, they'd have been close to 20 wins. Instead, they played Colgate, JMU, Uconn, Drake, Tulane, WVU, Michigan State. We can compare things in all sorts of ways, but the days of top 25 are looking to be long gone, never to return. Previously, we were at least able to watch the game without desiring putting on a brown paper bag over our faces. Sadly, football is looking that way too, 14-22 in the last 3 years. Plus George Mason. I’m happy UB played teams of that caliber. They ought to do that every year, regardless. As for today’s fiasco: “Mama said there'll be days like this”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clodney Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, skrabukes said: Last 4 years: 70-49 - JW 78-47 - Boals One is talked about like a king on here, one was talked about like a chump at every turn. Again, while nowhere near Nate (neither are close), the team was respectable every year. If last year's team played the soft schedule of this year's team, they'd have been close to 20 wins. Instead, they played Colgate, JMU, Uconn, Drake, Tulane, WVU, Michigan State. We can compare things in all sorts of ways, but the days of top 25 are looking to be long gone, never to return. Previously, we were at least able to watch the game without desiring putting on a brown paper bag over our faces. Sadly, football is looking that way too, 14-22 in the last 3 years. I'm not going to bother with another round of why that comparison is complete garbage, but I will say that everything you're saying is insanely premature. We have no idea what Halcovage can build over time. We just know that this team is a hot mess right now - 4 flippin' games into the new coach's career. I've always held the opinion that a coach gets 3 years to prove that the program is on an upward trajectory. The previous administration failed to do that. This administration deserves more time to prove they can right the ship. Unless this isn't about Halcovage at all and you just want to yell "I told you so!" to make yourself feel better. Edited November 21, 2023 by clodney 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubbullsfan09 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 I’m genuinely scared of how bad we are going to be slaughtered by JMU. The way they’ve looked, they may hang 130+ on this UB team even if they put the foot on the brakes in the 2nd half Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 57 minutes ago, skrabukes said: Last 4 years: 70-49 - JW 78-47 - Boals One is talked about like a king on here, one was talked about like a chump at every turn. He is no king but Boals won a MAC championships against us and he pulled a first round tournament upset. I don’t have to tell you how far that goes for a mid major program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee4three Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 21 minutes ago, Ubbullsfan09 said: I’m genuinely scared of how bad we are going to be slaughtered by JMU. The way they’ve looked, they may hang 130+ on this UB team even if they put the foot on the brakes in the 2nd half I'm worried the coaches that Nate oates beat by 30+ for a couple years in a row still remember and will take their turn doing right back to ub this season There are a couple Mac teams that might beat this team by 50+ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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