Chet Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 It looks like $$$$$ is pouring into Arkansas State’s collective. Good first season, metrics all rising quickly, highly rated recruits in the pipeline. I’m jealous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 48 minutes ago, Chet said: It looks like $$$$$ is pouring into Arkansas State’s collective. Good first season, metrics all rising quickly, highly rated recruits in the pipeline. I’m jealous. Serious question because I really want to understand the economics of mid-majors and our peers. Based upon this, is their target $150k for this year? They currently have $51k? Is this money then distributed to the current players and then incoming players? Any idea on the distribution? I assume it’s not even, but does everyone get something or just a couple guys get it? What if an incoming guy gets more than the best remaining guy? Since the university supposedly isn’t involved in these things, who actually determines how this distribution works? I had heard Jack got around $75k and CuJu was $150k+car (not sure if ever validated). If that’s the case, would still be tough to keep players I would think for mid-majors. You would really need $1 millionish I would think. Is this distribution a one time bonus type or do you get an annual payout too? final thought, I’m assuming this is taxable income so does that get held back for the players or do they get smacked with a tax bill of 30%-45% of this NIL money? I am really fascinated and would love to know what is truly real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rma Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 17 minutes ago, UBinMD said: final thought, I’m assuming this is taxable income so does that get held back for the players or do they get smacked with a tax bill of 30%-45% of this NIL money? I don't think independent contractors typically get taxes withheld. And the non-cash NIL incentives (car, tattoos, limo ride to the 2005 Heisman Awards) are considered taxable too. Ideally the collectives will help educate everyone involved in the taxes involved, making ES payments, etc. In reality do you think most are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 28 minutes ago, UBinMD said: Serious question because I really want to understand the economics of mid-majors and our peers. Based upon this, is their target $150k for this year? They currently have $51k? Is this money then distributed to the current players and then incoming players? Any idea on the distribution? I assume it’s not even, but does everyone get something or just a couple guys get it? What if an incoming guy gets more than the best remaining guy? Since the university supposedly isn’t involved in these things, who actually determines how this distribution works? I had heard Jack got around $75k and CuJu was $150k+car (not sure if ever validated). If that’s the case, would still be tough to keep players I would think for mid-majors. You would really need $1 millionish I would think. Is this distribution a one time bonus type or do you get an annual payout too? final thought, I’m assuming this is taxable income so does that get held back for the players or do they get smacked with a tax bill of 30%-45% of this NIL money? I am really fascinated and would love to know what is truly real. A donor is matching up to $150k. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 21 minutes ago, rma said: I don't think independent contractors typically get taxes withheld. And the non-cash NIL incentives (car, tattoos, limo ride to the 2005 Heisman Awards) are considered taxable too. Ideally the collectives will help educate everyone involved in the taxes involved, making ES payments, etc. In reality do you think most are? I guess just another side effect that may turn into a bad outcome for the kids they are supposedly helping. You know the IRS is going to want their cut no matter how many points you score. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 CBInfor Arkansas St Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird96 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 12 minutes ago, DooleyBull06 said: CBInfor Arkansas St Chicago State is in the CBI? The same Chicago State that was a perennial doormat in the old Mid-Continent? 12-18 this year and #302 KenPom as an Independent. Not sure how that rises to the level of being invited to one of these tournaments 🤔 . But good for them And good luck to Ark St. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 One of BH recruits, who redshirted this season, is going into the portal. You just never know what the hell is going on and what looks like one thing on the outside may not be what it is on the inside. There is no perfect scenario. Maybe BH, after seeing him practice, etc. didn't feel he was a fit either and it is best for both sides. MBB is a wacky, wild new world! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 7 hours ago, UBinMD said: One of BH recruits, who redshirted this season, is going into the portal. You just never know what the hell is going on and what looks like one thing on the outside may not be what it is on the inside. There is no perfect scenario. Maybe BH, after seeing him practice, etc. didn't feel he was a fit either and it is best for both sides. MBB is a wacky, wild new world! It’s why relying on so many freshman is a problem. It’s year to year right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 40 minutes ago, Chet said: It’s why relying on so many freshman is a problem. It’s year to year right now. Dont disagree, but in this case, the Ark St player was a JUCO transfer and was a medical redshirt. You just don’t know anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBulls99 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Can we lock this thread unless it actually pertains to us? Feel free to go to their board if you want to oogle over BH. He’s not our coach. Time we move on. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big 4 Hoops Blogger Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) 45 minutes ago, DaBulls99 said: Can we lock this thread unless it actually pertains to us? Feel free to go to their board if you want to oogle over BH. He’s not our coach. Time we move on. Seriously? People are enjoying this thread and posting because it's an interesting topic. Hodgson is a former UB assistant and many of the things he's doing at Arkansas State apply to what we believe should be happening at Buffalo. Edited March 19 by Big 4 Hoops Blogger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullsboys Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 2 hours ago, DaBulls99 said: Can we lock this thread unless it actually pertains to us? Feel free to go to their board if you want to oogle over BH. He’s not our coach. Time we move on. A Bit ridiculous - He's a Buffalo Native, Former Buffalo Assistant during our most successful years and he's doing well - Nothing wrong with talking about him on here! Not to mention Jamie Quarles is over there and LaQuil - More than enough Buffalo connections to warrant a thread! Plus - it's more interesting to read about him than our current crop right now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 3 hours ago, DooleyBull06 said: Who thinks we should extend GHIII? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire17 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 On 3/17/2024 at 7:01 PM, UBinMD said: I guess just another side effect that may turn into a bad outcome for the kids they are supposedly helping. You know the IRS is going to want their cut no matter how many points you score. I think the teammates who are majoring in accounting will set everyone straight on how to navigate that issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dabulls Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, Chet said: Who thinks we should extend GHIII? If the team preforms better next year I’d consider it. Some of our freshmen were pretty impressive at times this year, they’ll only get better. Just need to hit the portal hard and find some players to surround them with. The young guys seem very bought into the process so I think they’ll stay for the ride. I’d go and grab another transfer center and PG instead of another freshman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue32 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, Dabulls said: If the team preforms better next year I’d consider it. Some of our freshmen were pretty impressive at times this year, they’ll only get better. Just need to hit the portal hard and find some players to surround them with. The young guys seem very bought into the process so I think they’ll stay for the ride. I’d go and grab another transfer center and PG instead of another freshman Rightfully none of the freshmen were all-freshmen team in the weakest MAC in 20 years. Extending Halcovage for improving on 3 wins would be insane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB77 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 On 2/18/2024 at 4:45 PM, Big 4 Hoops Blogger said: I'm assuming he would've left for SMU either way. Big time pay raise and competition increase from the MAC/Sun Belt to the American and soon to be ACC. Lanier was UB's top choice entering their search at the time according to people I spoke with back then. Seems Rob Lanier will be named Rice University's new head coach tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 11 hours ago, UB77 said: Seems Rob Lanier will be named Rice University's new head coach tomorrow. That didn't take long. Doesn't even have to move out of the state! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB77 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 I live in Houston nowadays. Rice University's athletic program has floundered for the past 20 years or so (though baseball won the NCAA championship in 2003, it too has struggled the past decade). But the university has a new president and a new AD, has moved to the AAC, so this higher profile hiring may indicate a new interest in collegiate athletics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 22 minutes ago, UB77 said: I live in Houston nowadays. Rice University's athletic program has floundered for the past 20 years or so (though baseball won the NCAA championship in 2003, it too has struggled the past decade). But the university has a new president and a new AD, has moved to the AAC, so this higher profile hiring may indicate a new interest in collegiate athletics. Coach is familiar with conference so that’s a benefit too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 On 3/25/2024 at 10:17 AM, UBinMD said: That didn't take long. Doesn't even have to move out of the state! With the way the portal is now there no time to have a coaching search take longer than a week. You might miss out on transfers. And be left in a situation like we were a year ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue32 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, DooleyBull06 said: With the way the portal is now there no time to have a coaching search take longer than a week. You might miss out on transfers. And be left in a situation like we were a year ago. Are we still doing the thing where we pretend that there was nothing that Halcovage could've done last year? He was hired on March 30th last year and brought in 5 unranked freshmen and a transfer who was once a high level recruit that did nothing at Maryland. This year with a full recruiting cycle he has gotten 3 unranked freshmen and a transfer who was a once a high level recruit that did nothing at Maryland. If last year he needed more time, he evidently squandered it all this year (tbf he has 4 days to prove me wrong) Edited March 26 by trueblue32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, trueblue32 said: Are we still doing the thing where we pretend that there was nothing that Halcovage could've done last year? I am not doing anything. I’m merely saying that schools cannot drag the head coaching searching out for fear of missing out on transfers and risk of losing all their players to the portal. As far as our house goes, this is why I’ve not been as active commenting this year. Bc it’s all doom and gloom on the board. I am willing to give Halcovage a contract cycle to show he can build this thing. But yes his recruits have been underwhelming. Maybe not using all the scholarships available was by design? To a degree he’s been overwhelmed as a first time coach. He needs to get better. The program needs to be better. Simple said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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