bulls2684 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 This thread about to get a lot of action tonight… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYS Bulls Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 How long is his contract? Can they get out of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Has a single criticism from the early posts in this thread been improved upon or disproven? What strengths are we seeing from Jim Whitesell as the head coach of a successful mid-major basketball program? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Erie County said: "trust me bro" They beat up on the bottom of the MAC. in 3 months the program is Jones and Skogman. For the MAC, you just need to win 3 in Cleveland. Stay close, get a good enough seed and win 3. That’s life of the mid-major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 10 hours ago, UBinMD said: For the MAC, you just need to win 3 in Cleveland. Stay close, get a good enough seed and win 3. That’s life of the mid-major. We would have to win those games against teams that we have not shown the consistency to beat. A "puncher's chance" is not the same as suddenly finding the consistency to win 3 games in a row against the top of the conference (of which we are barely considered to be grouped with). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 I think for me it's the attendance. We saw what it was like under Hurley and Oats. The Kent game was embarrassing on national TV. This is what the public thinks of the current state of the team, it's not opinion. They've expressed their thoughts. As much as it's silly, losing to Canisius has hurt the perception of the program. Especially from those who reach out to me to ask me my thoughts. Through the highs/lows the team just looks discombobulated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yussi1870 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 14 hours ago, Erie County said: Here is Jim coached team Would love to see a graph showing point trend for UB and opponents on average for the season so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, yussi1870 said: Would love to see a graph showing point trend for UB and opponents on average for the season so far. Expect to see a consistent 6-10min horizontal line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 49 minutes ago, Jeseph said: Expect to see a consistent 6-10min horizontal line. We are putting something together. It's worse than you thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue32 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Jeseph said: Expect to see a consistent 6-10min horizontal line. We've actually been pretty good preventing scoring runs (and bad at going on scoring runs): Granted this is from prior to the Toledo game which was costly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
121Merrimac Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 12 minutes ago, trueblue32 said: … Granted this is from prior to the Toledo game which was costly Sooo, on the fringe of the Least Streaky category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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trueblue32 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Jeseph said: I'm high on Skogman and I do think there's a bit of meat on the bone there, but his efficiency would fall off at this point with increased usage. It does for almost everyone which is why I like BartTorvik's PRPG! which factors in ORtg, usage, and competition faced to estimate offensive efficiency. Particularly with Skogman his efficiency would fall of due to the fact that he doesn't create much as of now to post that ORtg. He's done some self-creation in the post which I'd like to see more of, but his shots very much come within the flow of the offense. Skogman is assisted on 74.7% of his field goals, and it would be even higher if there was a way to filter out any putbacks he's gotten on offensive rebounds. All the players that have a higher usage than him are assisted on a lower percentage of their FGM: Brewton: 69.4% Jack: 69.2% Mballa: 50% Williams: 39.8% Segu: 25.3% It's not as simple as giving him the ball more Edited January 26, 2022 by trueblue32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 31 minutes ago, trueblue32 said: Particularly with Skogman his efficiency would fall of due to the fact that he doesn't create much as of now to post that ORtg. He's done some self-creation in the post which I'd like to see more of, but his shots very much come within the flow of the offense. Skogman is assisted on 74.7% of his field goals, and it would be even higher if there was a way to filter out any putbacks he's gotten on offensive rebounds. It sounds to me like the team plays more team ball when Skogman is involved. Sure at some point there are diminishing returns but with stats like the above some increase is certainly warranted from a team that keeps going cold playing ISO ball with the current band of characters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblue32 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, Jeseph said: It sounds to me like the team plays more team ball when Skogman is involved. I don't think that's what that statistic suggests unless your hypothesis is that Brewton is the second biggest offensive "team player" 7 minutes ago, Jeseph said: Sure at some point there are diminishing returns but with stats like the above some increase I agree and I said that in my original post. I just don't think bumping his usage by a couple points in exchange for a bit of efficiency is moving the needle for this team in any meaningful way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooleyBull06 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Jeseph said: It sounds to me like the team plays more team ball when Skogman is involved. Sure at some point there are diminishing returns but with stats like the above some increase is certainly warranted from a team that keeps going cold playing ISO ball with the current band of characters. Skogman’s play is stunted by Mballa and vice versa when the two are on the floor at the same time. Skogman is a more polished low post player. Whereas Mballa operates with more brute force. With Skogman there’s better ball movement because he understands and executes the fundamentals of passing out of a low post double team. They either have to learn to coexist on the floor together with Skogman being more ball dominate and Mballa playing off the ball and beasting on the boards. Or one of them is gonna have to come off the bench. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ub2019 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Chris Mack? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 24 minutes ago, ub2019 said: Chris Mack? lol, I literally came here to post this. Man I would love to be his bounce back school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ub2019 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 16 hours ago, Jeseph said: lol, I literally came here to post this. Man I would love to be his bounce back school. Don't know if he would want to come here or even want to coach next year, but he would be a home run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 38 minutes ago, ub2019 said: Don't know if he would want to come here or even want to coach next year, but he would be a home run. We need a big booster to come thru for something like that. He was making $4 million annually with a $250k per year bump. JW is making $361,649, slightly more that Chris Mack's bump. Don't see it happening, but who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 41 minutes ago, UBinMD said: We need a big booster to come thru for something like that. He was making $4 million annually with a $250k per year bump. JW is making $361,649, slightly more that Chris Mack's bump. Don't see it happening, but who knows. Well luckily since JW "Isn't as bad as some people say" we'll never have to find out 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikescherrer8 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 59 minutes ago, UBinMD said: We need a big booster to come thru for something like that. He was making $4 million annually with a $250k per year bump. JW is making $361,649, slightly more that Chris Mack's bump. Don't see it happening, but who knows. Could have extended oats with that fieldhouse $$$. But Murchie’s said nah I think we’ll invest in mid major football instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBull Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 19 hours ago, ub2019 said: Chris Mack? Really you would want a guy in the middle of an NCAA investigation? I do not think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuchMany Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, BrooklynBull said: Really you would want a guy in the middle of an NCAA investigation? I do not think so. His hire would come along with a role for a very detail-oriented compliance chaperone... if you know anyone like that who might be interested 😁. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UBinMD Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 31 minutes ago, mikescherrer8 said: Could have extended oats with that fieldhouse $$$. But Murchie’s said nah I think we’ll invest in mid major football instead. I'm fine with the fieldhouse, I think it was a key cog in keeping it moving. I am also for a separate recreation facility and upgrade Alumni for D1 team use only. These things don't need to be mutually exclusive. Also, I don't buy into the fact we can't pay our coaches because we are a state school. In many states, the HFC at a major university is the highest paid state employee (Pennsylvania, Maryland, etc. to name a few). Our issue is that NY State has never had to pony up those salaries, so they prefer to burn in on NYC or other ridiculous mandates while taxing the hell out of the residents. We need to keep the sustained success and continue to push forward. The shame is that the interest in football and basketball has not gone up much since I was a student in 1990-1995 when we transitioned to D1. If we actually had a decent fan base, we could push for these changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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