Kevin Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share Posted January 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jeseph said: Was this another quality game in the metrics column? another game that shows we’re in good shape as a program? what is Whitesells home record? He's 13-9 at home. That's after Buffalo having a 26 game winning streak that was ended by Dartmouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYS Bulls Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Kevin said: He's 13-9 at home. That's after Buffalo having a 26 game winning streak that was ended by Dartmouth. I just saw that they are 7-7 in MAC home games under whitesell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocCas86 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Well when I am wrong, I admit it. I do not think this team has what it takes to win three in Cleveland. I will continue to pull for the team, but I think it is time to consider options for next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 11 hours ago, NYS Bulls said: I just saw that they are 7-7 in MAC home games under whitesell. This is enough right here IMO. We’re constantly told how hard it is to win on the road in this conference. Not against this team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB92 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 I didn't post during / after the game as I really wanted to be less emotional about what happened last night. As a fan of UB sports for 30+ years, I have perspective. It is hard not to after watching those early 2000s teams get consistently out-talented (especially in depth). I really liked those Hurley and, especially, Oats' teams. I liked to watch them. This is why: They played fast...I loved those transition baskets they scored off the other team's miss They played hard. Guys developed, especially on defense. If they were a defensive liability, they didn't play as much. There was some accountability. If you made a bone-head shot or play, you sat. I remember Williams shooting an early shot clock 3, Oats getting pissed and calling a time out to take him out of the game. They had a bit of an attitude. They knew they were going to beat you, but wanted to beat you by 20. They were still hungry, even after making it to the tournament. They seemed to play as a team...they were having fun out there. Within 1.5 years and with some of those same players, we now have: Getting bullied down low. How many points did Ohio score in the paint? Team seems like five guys playing pick-up ball, all looking to run their own play No accountability. Mballa...you want to drive from the three-point line to try and score...only to have it go out of balance? No worries. Shoot a contested 3 that missed by a lot instead of making another pass? Ah...you'll get them next time. Defense is, seemingly, optional, especially down low. The passion, speed and desire is gone. The players are going through the motions. Sure...there is talent (more than on Ohio's team, clearly) and, thus, they can talent their way to baskets, but the level of togetherness is not there and a step slow. They seem complacent and not hungry. Whitesell may be a good assistant coach (I don't know), but he does not have the skills set to get what is needed out of his players as head coach. It kind of "is what it is" at this point. I mean, nothing is really going to change until we find our next head coach because what we have is not what we need. So even though I bleed blue, I will just quietly wait until the Whitesell era ends and we can move on. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
961819 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Erie County said: 7-7 is what he's always been. That's to be expected. I defer all other comments to @961819 With coaches, you get what you pay for. The same goes for their history. Whitesell has a long head coaching career and a .500 career record. I don’t understand how Alnutt thought that would change. Not every good assistant coach is cut out to be a head coach. Whitesell is a great guy, nice person, but personally I think the good coaches have to be able to say the unpopular opinion. The good coaches are motivators and firey competitors that hate losing more than anything else. If you want to stand out in this industry, you have to have a chip on your shoulder and something to prove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire17 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/29/2021 at 9:43 PM, Kevin said: I had my concerns with Whitesell when he was the "defensive coach" during his seasons under Oats. If UB had it's slight challenges, it would come on the defensive side of the floor. We are now seeing many of those issues without the defensive talents of Jordan and Caruthers. As of the end of today’s games, Buffalo has the 2nd best ranked MAC defense. Offense is where they fall short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share Posted January 31, 2021 10 hours ago, squire17 said: As of the end of today’s games, Buffalo has the 2nd best ranked MAC defense. Offense is where they fall short. Based on what? It must be due to the high rebounding numbers, a number that should have went way down after the Ohio game. They've allowed the 284th most points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYS Bulls Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 hours ago, Kevin said: Based on what? It must be due to the high rebounding numbers, a number that should have went way down after the Ohio game. They've allowed the 284th most points The team has been really bad on defense almost the entire season. They’ve show flashes but I’d put them in the bottom half for sure in 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire17 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, NYS Bulls said: The team has been really bad on defense almost the entire season. They’ve show flashes but I’d put them in the bottom half for sure in 2021. Kenpom has Buffalo’s defense ranked 2nd best in MAC as of now. Buffalo has been digging itself a hole by its inability to come out of the gate and scoring. The problem would seem to be offense, or more precisely - a lack of offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clodney Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I think at this point, Kenpom can go suck an egg. If you have to create a field called "luck factor" to explain why your model deviates so far from wins and losses then your model is crap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocCas86 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 13 hours ago, squire17 said: Kenpom has Buffalo’s defense ranked 2nd best in MAC as of now. Buffalo has been digging itself a hole by its inability to come out of the gate and scoring. The problem would seem to be offense, or more precisely - a lack of offense. I agree the problems with this team have been predominantly on offense. The bad starts and poor execution at the end has lead to team being 4-4. In the four losses the team is shooting 3s at 30% or less, while in four wins, the team shot nearly 40%. You would expect this variability in shooting 3s, but the team should have found a way to win at least 2 of the 4 games they were shooting poorly (arguably all four). If they are 6-2 or better at this point, I would have more faith in the team. It is possible that they get to Cleveland and shoot the lights out on 3s for three straight games but I wouldn't bet on it. On defense, I compared our opponents Points Per Possession to their average as this takes into account that we play at a faster pace, so is better than average points allowed. Based on this, I would say that our defense has been good, but not great. We have held our opponents to less than their average 5 out of 8 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYS Bulls Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 hours ago, clodney said: I think at this point, Kenpom can go suck an egg. If you have to create a field called "luck factor" to explain why your model deviates so far from wins and losses then your model is crap. Exactly. Luck should be relabeled coaching. Then we’d all agree that coaching factors more into a game and is the reason for the model deviation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tee4three Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Doesn't it make coaching look bad when all your metrics are fine but the results aren't there? Also as far as 'luck' on kenpom I have always taken it to mean how confident kenpom is in the ranking of the team. If luck is high then the team should probably be ranked lower, if luck is lower the team should be ranked higher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted February 2, 2021 Author Share Posted February 2, 2021 5 hours ago, Tee4three said: Doesn't it make coaching look bad when all your metrics are fine but the results aren't there? Also as far as 'luck' on kenpom I have always taken it to mean how confident kenpom is in the ranking of the team. If luck is high then the team should probably be ranked lower, if luck is lower the team should be ranked higher I always thought it meant more for wins. Meaning teams that have a higher luck ranking are justified being ranked higher on their calculations but might have a bad record "luck". Teams ranked lower on luck (top) might have a good record, but not be ranked high based on their other metrics. I think it directly looks bad for a coach when advanced stats are there and results aren't. Whitesell has been disastrous to start games and to close games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeseph Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Another stellar performance at home! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYS Bulls Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 This guy is such a bad basketball coach. It will really unravel next year when there is nothing left in the system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGBull Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Time for him to go, the question is if Alnutt will actually pull the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYS Bulls Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 minute ago, SGBull said: Time for him to go, the question is if Alnutt will actually pull the trigger. Its a no brainer. You have to start the process now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DooleyBull06 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, Kevin said: Huge LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDBullsfan89 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 49 minutes ago, Jeseph said: Another stellar performance at home! To be fair, home games essentially mean nothing this season. But that doesn't excuse the complete ineptitude against good teams and in close games. Or the huge dropoff last year at home when we actually did have crowds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted February 20, 2021 Author Share Posted February 20, 2021 When i go into a really dark place: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ubbulls84 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Is it me or does the regression of Jayvon Graves this year has been a big part of the story w this team. There was talk of Mac player of the year before season started. He consistently looks lost out there, shooting percentage way down, defense is subpar, shooting 50% from free throw line, turns ball over way too much, and can’t close at all, ever. For a senior with so much experience he’s just been a bust this year no other way to say it unless he has a big turnaround fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBoy Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 I've had a lot of different thoughts going through my mind and I hope what I am about to say makes sense. Yes Oats and Hodgson left us with some of the highest recruited players in school history, but Oats and Hodgson are not at Alabama because of that. They are at Alabama because of under recruited guys like CJ, Perk, Caruthers, Harris that nobody would give a shot to and they had a chip on their shoulder. Look at the best players in the MAC... They were all under recruited, Marreon Jackson didn't turn down Power 5 offers for Toledo, Jason Preston had no offers other than Ohio and the list goes on. We have a ton of talented players, but I think we have guys who think they are too good for this league and they can just cruise through the season. Jim Whitesell was the lead recruiter on the greatest players in school history in Massinburg... Oats was the lead recruiter on Perkins. I'd almost like to see us get back to finding these diamonds in the rough that have something to prove over these Top 150 kids that maybe think they are better than they actually are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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